TisILeclerc wrote:The clans were destroyed by their own clan chieftains who were living it up in Nice and other exotic places and wanted more rent from the tenants to pay their gambling debts. That's how empires are destroyed.
S'funny you should say that, I was just trying to recall my own clan's sorry history, with the clan chief moving to London and pissing the clan's inheritance away in gambling and holidays abroad.
Mick and others might rightly demand evidence, on the other hand Mick might not give a toss. I'm sorry to say it's on issues like this where "academic history" or rational debate lose out, because it all starts to get personal.