Heavens' Henge

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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby jon » 8:49 am

Boreades wrote:Who else saw "Operation Stonehenge: What Lies Beneath"?


Haven't seen it. Expectation was very low on this one so put it on record for later. Seeing some mixed reviews about it.

Have finished the short write up for a 'non ritual' explanation for Newgrange. Sending to couple of people for comment before posting. The NR explanations (Newgrange, Knowth, Avebury and so on) don't really add much to the case for the ME. However, 'Firsprofen' is different.

Archaeologists seem to fall into two camps: Those who stick rigidly to the scientific method and those who are good storytellers. As far as I can tell, the more the word 'ritual' is used, the more they lean towards the storytelling side of archaeology.
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby Boreades » 11:20 am

Scientific method -v- good storytellers

That sums it up quite nicely.
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby Mick Harper » 3:41 pm

Over on the AEL site we put the same syndrome a little differently, perhaps not so memorably. Occam's Razor enjoins the simplest model is to be preferred and in history (and even more in pre-history) this means basically nothing much happens for aeons. Historians (and pre-historians) don't like this because giving a lecture saying, "Next thousand years ... um .... nothing very much, see you next week" won't get you very far.

In Stonehenge terms, this axiom means that whatever the henge-builders were trying to do in 1500 BC they were also probably trying to do in 4,500 BC. And everything in between is commentary.
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby Boreades » 5:40 pm

Mick Harper wrote:In Stonehenge terms, this axiom means that whatever the henge-builders were trying to do in 1500 BC they were also probably trying to do in 4,500 BC. And everything in between is commentary.


Far be it from me to be the contrary one ( ;-) ), but don't the buried stones at Durrington Walls suggest that, perhaps once, they did get tired of doing something?
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby jon » 6:50 pm

Far be it from me to be the contrary one ( ;-) ), but don't the buried stones at Durrington Walls suggest that, perhaps once, they did get tired of doing something?


Depends whether or not the matrix of the soil allowed worms to sink them I guess.

In Stonehenge terms, this axiom means that whatever the henge-builders were trying to do in 1500 BC they were also probably trying to do in 4,500 BC. And everything in between is commentary.


Probably.. though with geocentric theory there is a development pattern showing what happened and why that would lead to the next stage. Total silence on NG to date.
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby Boreades » 12:45 pm

jon wrote:Could be Mick!

I've started the process of expanding a 'non-ritual' explanation:

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=6412&forum=4


Jon, I'm double-posting my reply, in case your blog doesn't like links and images in replies.

A lot seems to hinge (or henge) on (a) how current-day people perceive the object in question, and (b) which profession has custody of it.

By way of a few examples:

1) The SS Great Britain in Bristol.

It might have been a complete wreck at one time, but it was perceived as a great piece of engineering, worth the effort of restoring to better condition. Marine architects and engineers had custody. It was restored.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Great_Britain

2) The Antikythera Mechanism

Now recognised as a fully working mechanical computer built c. 200 BC. Archaeologists have custody, didn't know what it was, and got nowhere with it. But engineers have taken detailed X-rays of the mechanism using a technique called linear tomography. The original is just too far gone to restore, but working replicas have been made.

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See: http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_4.htm
and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

3) Silbury, Avebury and Stonehenge

Not generally recognised as purposeful engineering of any kind. Barely and grudgingly recognised as astro-science of any kind. English Heritage has custody. It's all a mystery to them.

I did once suggest to EH that Silbury should be restored to its original condition.

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They must have been struck dumb with shock (or thought I was taking the piss) because I never got a reply. If you do poke them hard enough, they will produce stock phrases like "Splendid isolation" and "ritual objects". Intellectual tumbleweed.
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby Boreades » 9:48 pm

The mystery of who created the Antikythera mechanism somehow strikes deep. It breaks all the rules yet is tangible proof that that Greeks were masters of astro-technology.

According to http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_4.htm

Cicero, writing in the first century BC, mentions an instrument “recently constructed by our friend Poseidonius, which at each revolution reproduces the same motions of the sun, the moon and the five planets.” Archimedes is also said to have made a small planetarium, and two such devices were said to have been rescued from Syracuse when it fell in 212BC.

Was Posidonius the creator of the Antikythera mechanism? Posidonius is a fascinating character, acclaimed as the greatest polymath of his age. Reportedly he had travelled as far as Gaul and knew of the Druids.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posidonius

Posidonius calculated the Earth's circumference by reference to the position of the star Canopus. As explained by Cleomedes, Posidonius observed Canopus on but never above the horizon at Rhodes, while at Alexandria he saw it ascend as far as 7½ degrees above the horizon (the meridian arc between the latitude of the two locales is actually 5 degrees 14 minutes). Since he thought Rhodes was 5,000 stadia due north of Alexandria, and the difference in the star's elevation indicated the distance between the two locales was 1/48th of the circle, he multiplied 5,000 by 48 to arrive at a figure of 240,000 stadia for the circumference of the earth.

Due north is my emphasis.

Does this give us a clue why some megalithic sites seem to be on due north-south meridian?
To make it easier to compare ascensions of planets and stars, and calculate distances?
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby jon » 4:33 pm

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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby Boreades » 5:58 pm

What direction does Newgrange face?

Just asking, in case this could be an Israeli Newgrange.
http://www.livescience.com/47835-massiv ... srael.html
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Re: Heavens' Henge

Postby jon » 11:43 am

Here's a link to the new music video about Stonehenge. Uses the ideas in "Stonehenge: Solving the Neolithic Universe"

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=6452&forum=4

Sorry: I don't know how to embed code into this forum. It's by the singer JES
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