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Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 10:29 pm
by TisILeclerc
Dragons seem to be associated with mounds and water as well as noble families or families who become enobled as a result of slaying the dragon.

There are many such tales in Britain and Ireland. Sockburn is on a peninsula and is close to iron working areas. As previously mentioned furnaces contain what is known as a salamander.

The myths of Sockburn and Linton in the Scottish borders give details about how the dragon was slain through the open mouth with a lance of sorts with a flaming end.

Athens was founded by a half man half serpent Cecrops. He ran into trouble with Poseidon who had a competition with Athena to become the city god. He struck a rock which produced water Athena produced an olive tree. She won and Poseidon flooded the city in spite.

Athena is later wooed by Hephaestos the god of fire and metal. He forces himself on her and the result is a son who is a half serpent.

Athena could not prevent Hephaestus (the god of fire and metal-working) falling in love with her, yet she wished to remain a virgin. Hephaestus pursued her and caught her on the Acropolis. He brushed up against her, spilling his seed. Athena wiped it off with a piece of cloth and threw it onto the ground, fertilising it. This produced Erichthonius, a boy with a serpents tail like Cecrops, who Athena decided to keep as her own son. ... and-china/

Perhaps there was a clash of cultures in which the arts and 'nobility' won over the rude mechanicals?

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 5:57 pm
by Boreades
Mick Harper wrote: It confirms TME's point about the longevity of local families that Lord Lambton was the local worthy and MP until he resigned in a drugs'n'sex scandal in 1973.

Must have been different times?

Nowadays one can shrug off drugs'n'sex'n'rentboys scandals and become a member of HoC Select Committees. Allegedly.

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 6:27 pm
by TisILeclerc
It appears that there is indeed a dragon coiling itself under the water deep down.

And it is hot.

The BBC reports that under the earth's crust they've discovered a 'jet stream' of molten iron making its way around the world. At the moment it seems to have shifted to under Alaska and Siberia. No wonder I can't find my compass bearings back from the pub these days.


"This jet of liquid iron is moving at about fifty kilometres per year," explained Dr Chris Finlay from the National Space Institute at the Technical University of Denmark (DTU Space).

“That might not sound like a lot to you on Earth's surface, but you have to remember this a very dense liquid metal and it takes a huge amount of energy to move this thing around and that's probably the fastest motion we have anywhere within the solid Earth,” he told BBC News.

Now that's a treasure worth digging up. I'll have to get my spade out of the pawn shop.

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 9:03 pm
by Boreades
Wow! That's one big angry beastie. I wouldn't want that coming out of the ground in my garden.

Any suggestions what that's doing to the North Pole? Hasn't that been moving towards Siberia faster than expected as well?

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 3:33 pm
by Boreades
Anyone who remembers their Sunday School classes (or Indiana Jones films) will recall the Ark Of The Covenant (AOTC).

Have them make a chest of acacia wood – two and a half cubits long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high. Overlay it with pure gold, both inside and out, and make a gold molding around it. Cast four gold rings for it and fasten them to its four feet, with two rings on one side and two rings on the other. Then make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. Insert the poles into the rings on the sides of the chest to carry it. The poles are to remain in the rings of the ark; they are not to be removed.

Make an atonement cover of pure gold – two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. Make one cherub on one and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.

Several people have noticed that this could equally well describe the construction of an extremely large direct current (DC) capacitor with a spark gap mounted above. Some have gone further, and some have even got as far as building a working replica.

The author of that article has done a very good job of explaining how it all works. Just a shame that after all the careful work he did building a DC AOTC he then blew it up by forcing AC electricity through it!

More recently (since 1745), smaller version were called Leyden jars.

A Leyden jar, or Leiden jar, is a device that "stores" static electricity between two electrodes on the inside and outside of a glass jar. A Leyden jar typically consists of a glass jar with metal foil cemented to the inside and the outside surfaces, and a metal terminal projecting vertically through the jar lid to make contact with the inner foil. It was the original form of a capacitor (originally known as a "condenser").

The Leyden jar was used to conduct many early experiments in electricity, and its discovery was of fundamental importance in the study of electrostatics. The Leyden jar was the first means of storing an electric charge which then could be discharged at the experimenter's will. Leyden jars are still used in education to demonstrate the principles of electrostatics.

It made me wonder though. Given all the expertise in metallurgy in Britain:
- Are there any British legends that have any similarities?
- Could something similar have ever been made in Britain?

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 4:32 pm
by TisILeclerc
The article mentions amber which was seemingly a much sought after product in the ancient world.

The Ancient Greeks already knew that pieces of amber could attract lightweight particles after being rubbed. The amber becomes electrified by triboelectric effect, mechanical separation of charge in a dielectric. The Greek word for amber is ηλεκτρον ("elektron") and is the origin of the word "electricity"

Could amber be used for anything like this.

And then there is the repeated legends about dragons under hills in water. Supposing the dragon was some sort of metal with a rod connecting the various parts. Perhaps with a metal rod poking up out of the ground to help things along. It's the sort of thing a builder could put up if he had the right materials.

Is Silbury Hill a power station?

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 5:56 pm
by Boreades
TisILeclerc wrote: Is Silbury Hill a power station?

Good question.

Some say...
Obviously it is a power station and navigation guide. ... wer-plant/

Obviously? Just to frustrate us, without any explanation of how it did that.

Letters that lay undiscovered in national archives for more than 230 years suggest that Silbury Hill, the enigmatic man-made mound that stands between Marlborough and Beckhampton, may have originally be constructed around some sort of totem pole. Historians have uncovered in the British Library in London letters written in 1776 that describe a 40ft-high pole which once stood at the centre of Silbury Hill. Europe’s largest man-made mound. The letters detail an 18th century excavation into the centre of the man-made mound, where archaeologists discovered a long, thin cavity six inches wide and about 40ft deep. A separate excavation found fragments of oak timber within the cavity leading historians to believe that the mound was built around the pole dating from around 2,400 BC. ... uncovered/

Note: this was a 40ft-high pole hidden in the base of the hill, not something sticking out the top. So not likely to be a lightning conductor or anything like that?

More research required.

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 6:16 pm
by TisILeclerc
Reading that link I thought of where the word pyramid came from. The usual searches gave mathematical definitions which doesn't really answer the question. I seem to have remembered, probably from the writings of MacGregor (forget what name she was writing under) and I'm sure she said it was related to Pyre and Fire.

Then I came across this site. which states:

One of the main purposes of the Great Per-Neter was to generate, transform, and transmit energy. The Indigenous Wisdom Keepers of Egypt have provided us a concrete paradigm to support the power plant theory of Christopher Dunn. Although Egyptologists base their pyramid-as-tomb theories on the writings of Greek historians such as Herodotus, the Greek word Pyramidos is closer to the true meaning. Indeed, if we support Dunn’s ideas that the energy reactions in the Great Pyramid took place in the so-called Queen’s and King’s Chambers, then certainly it was Fire In The Middle.

I believe the pyramids were faced with limestone blocks originally. And isn't Silbury constructed with limestone?

Is there a quality in limestone that could have some kind of insulating purpose?

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 6:24 pm
by TisILeclerc
And it seems like the Russian Academy of Sciences is involved in pyramid research. They've been building them all over Russia.

This is a summary of their research


This research was carried out by the Russian National Academy of Sciences which includes: the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Biophysics, Graphite Scientific Research Institute, and the Institute of Physics in Ukraine.

- Immune system of organisms increased upon exposure in the pyramid (Leukocyte composition of the blood increased). Also increased regeneration of tissues)
- Agricultural seeds placed in the pyramid for 1-5 days showed a 30-100% increase in yield
- Russian Military radar (locator) spotted an energy column rising several miles high in the sky above the 22m Lake Seliger pyramid. Several months after this pyramid was built, the Ozone layer improved in the atmosphere in Russia.
-Areas near the pyramids seem to have diminished seIsmic activity. Instead of one large powerful earthquake occurring, there are hundreds of tiny ones. Also violent weather seems to decrease in the area of the pyramids.
-Pyramid complex was built in an oil field in Southern Russia (Bashkiria). The oil became lighter (less viscous) by 30% and the yield of the oil wells increased. These results were confirmed by (Gubkin) Moscow Academy of Oil and Gas.
-Newborns were given solutions that had been placed in the pyramid and their health indexes increased greatly.
-Experiments with about 5000 people in jails in Russia showed that in a few months most crimes almost disappeared and behavior was much improved. This was attributed to the salt and pepper added to their food which had been placed beforehand in the Pyramid.
-The potency of pharmaceuticals increased with decreasing side effects.
- There is an increase in survival of cellular tissue infected by viruses and bacteria – The pyramids decrease the strength of various viruses and bacteria.
-When radioactive waste is placed inside the pyramids, there is a decrease in their level of radioactivity
-Spontaneous charging of capacitors (leyden jaw on top and energy source?)
-Changes in superconductivity temperature thresholds and properties of semiconductors and carbon materials.
- Ordinary water does not freeze even at 40 degrees below zero and retains its properties for years.
-Synthesized diamonds turn out harder and purer.
It is interesting that the results seem to show that increasing the height of the pyramid increases the quality of the results.

It's interesting to see their reference to Leyden jars, or jaw as they would have it.

Re: Megalithic manufacturing in Britain

PostPosted: 7:08 pm
by Boreades
TisILeclerc wrote: Is there a quality in limestone that could have some kind of insulating purpose?

Or dielectric?

The pressure and temperature evolution of an intense dielectric relaxation mechanism in as-received and wetted limestone (from Ioannina region (Greece)) is studied experimentally through complex impedance spectroscopy. The relaxation time decreases on compression, yielding a negative value for the corresponding activation volume. Furthermore, the role of water incorporated in the mineral was examined, revealing the remarkable fact that water not only enhances the absolute value of negative derivative of Gibbs energy with respect to pressure but also lowers significantly the energy barrier of the corresponding physical processes. Both findings are crucial for the explanation of the sensitivity of an electrotelluric station at Ioannina region in detecting Seismic Electric Signals emitted prior to earthquakes. ... ic_signals