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Re: Megalithic America?

PostPosted: 2:15 pm
by Boreades
I love this part:

Daniel De Lisle of the Canadian Space Agency praised Gadoury's ingenuity. He told The Independent: '“What makes William’s project fascinating is the depth of his research. Linking the positions of stars to the location of a lost city along with the use of satellite images on a tiny territory to identify the remains buried under dense vegetation is quite exceptional.'

Stand by for the rent-an-archaeo responses?

1) We already knew that, we just didn't tell anyone.
2) More research required (grant application in the post)
3) TME is still bonkers for suggesting anything similar in Britain.

Re: Megalithic America?

PostPosted: 2:20 pm
by TisILeclerc
What several commentators in the Mail and Independent point out is that Egypt had various 'new world' artifacts in their pyramids which pointed to a connection with the Americas in times past.

Given that their pyramids seem to be aligned and shaped to match constellations this might suggest active passing of knowledge. Same goes for India.

Unless they all thought of it at the same time.

The journalists on the newspapers are innocent of such speculation. Of course.

Re: Megalithic America?

PostPosted: 2:35 pm
by Boreades
Thanks for the links, my #1 garçon is supposed to be studying French, I will bother him for a translation of that. ... -cite-maya

Re: Megalithic America?

PostPosted: 4:12 pm
by Boreades
Duly done.

William, reportedly a passionate student of the Maya world, found 22 Maya constellations in the Madrid Codex , and superimposed them onto a Google Earth map of the Yucatan Peninsula. Then he realized that the stars corresponded to the location of the 117 Maya cities, and also the brightest stars coincided with the most important cities.

Until now, no scientist had noticed the correlation between the stars and the location of the different Maya populations. However, William noted that one of the constellations - specifically number 23, formed by three stars- does not coincide exactly with the map of known Maya cities, since it only two cities appear.

He followed his theory there had to be another Maya city, the 118th, in a remote and inaccessible part of the Yucatan Peninsula ... and it seems he’s right: analysis and studies of the area using satellite images by the various international space agencies have confirmed the existence of a pyramid and at least thirty buildings in the place indicated by William.

"Geometric shapes, squares or rectangles, appear in these images, shapes that can hardly be attributed to natural phenomena," says a specialist in remote sensing at the University of New Brunswick, Armand LaRocque , who has had access to the images of different structures that could well belong to an ancient city.

William has presented his research to two Mexican archaeologists. They have promised that he will accompany them in their next expedition to the newly discovered Maya city, which nobody has seen in person yet. "It would be the culmination of three years of work and my life’s dream," William said.

His discovery has also led him to be selected as a participant in the International Expo of the International Movement for Leisure Activities in Science and Technology ( MILSET) which will be held in Brazil in August 2017.

Re: Megalithic America?

PostPosted: 5:22 pm
by TisILeclerc
Borry, in your enlightened description of archeo responses you forgot one important possible response.

These shapes are 'cornfields'. Not that the archeos have been there to check it out but they are full of condescending praise for the wee lad. Telling him to stick at it and when he grows up he could be one of them.

Now archaeologists are casting doubt on the teenager's claims to have spotted the ancient settlement in satellite images, saying he may have discovered an abandoned cornfield instead. ... hotos.html

It probably is difficult to tell a cornfield from a pyramid.

It would appear though that the archeologists, despite not having visited the site, are also better than the Canadian space agency in interpreting satellite photographs. Something they have obviously kept up their sleeves for some time now.

Dr Diane Davies, a consultant archaeologist and specialist in the ancient Maya, told MailOnline: 'As much as I commend the student for his interest and enthusiasm in learning about the ancient Maya and their remarkable achievements, I am afraid the satellite image looks like a milpa (corn field) that has been left fallow.

So, there we have it.

Fifteen year olds should stick to what they do best and leave research and questioning to the grown ups and experts.

Mind you it could be that the ancient Maya planted their cornfields to match the constellations. How about that for a theory?

Re: Megalithic America?

PostPosted: 10:25 am
by TisILeclerc
It looks as though the archaeologists have retired from the field and left it open to the anthropologists to destroy this young lad.

If anything they are more dangerous. At least archaeologists dig holes and do something useful. Anthropologists are more like social workers and their jargon is even more incomprehensible than that of management speak.

Where's Indian Jones when you need him?

Scientists from the Canadian Space Agency described William's work as "exceptional" and presented him with a medal of merit. The inspirational story went viral. But since then several experts have challenged the research's conclusions and the prominence given to them by the media.

"The whole thing is a mess - a terrible example of junk science hitting the internet in free-fall," wrote Dr David Stuart, an anthropologist and an authority on Mayan civilisation in a post on his Facebook page.

"The ancient Maya didn't plot their ancient cities according to constellations," he added. "Seeing such patterns is a rorschach process, since sites are everywhere, and so are stars. The square feature that was found on Google Earth is indeed man-made, but it's an old fallow cornfield, or milpa."

Another anthropologist, Thomas Garrison from the University of Southern California, also thinks it's corn field. He told Gizmodo that remote sensing needs to be backed up by boots on the ground, or "ground-truthing". He said "You have to be able to confirm what you are identifying in a satellite image or other type of scene.".

And another expert, Geoffrey Braswell from the University of San Diego, suggested that the boy may have, in fact, found a Marijuana field.

I'd prefer the company or support of the Canadian Space Agency. They should know what they can see. And they should know what they are talking about.

But to describe the finding as similar to a 'rorschach process' is more what these anthropologists are doing anyway. They look for 'ground truthing' but jump in without boots and don't even touch the ground. So it looks like the debate will be over whether it is an abandoned corn field or a marijuana field. Not because there is any evidence but because they can't believe it is a pyramid. It can't be because there are stars all over the place. The Maya, (one of the most astronomical and mathematical civilisations known), wouldn't do such a thing as build cities according to star patterns. Why? Because we say so.

Besides which 'you have to be able to confirm what you are identifying in a satellite image or other type of scene.'

Which is what the Canadian archaeologists intend to do but which the cornfield anhroes don't.

If the lad is proved correct I wonder how they will argue their way out of that one?