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Re: Anglesey

Postby TisILeclerc » 6:07 pm

The ortho-types aren't sure where the Danaan part of "Tuatha De Danaan" comes from. "Tuatha De" is recognised as "people of". Danaan can mean teachers just as well as the supposed superior beings or gods.


Thus spake Borry

And Zarathustra did also spake.

In English, an adherent of the faith is commonly called a Zoroastrian or a Zarathustrian. An older expression still used today is Behdin, meaning "follower of Daena", for which "Good Religion" is one translation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

The beliefs of Zoroastrianism are extremely similar to Christianity, especially as preached by Jesus himself, and perhaps Pelagius. Even his life bears some similarities in that he had jealous enemies during his lifetime and he spent seven years in the wilderness in a cave on a mountain top.

Fire plays an important part in ritual and the adherents pray before a fire that should not be extinguished. In old Gaelic society the house fire was kept on all year round until it was to be renewed at which point a flame was taken from the fire and used to light the newly made one.

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http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions ... uction.htm

That stick looks familiar with the horns on the top.

Zarathushtra called the religion he founded the "Daena Vanuhi" (Good religion). A person, when initiated as a Zarathushtrian and thereafter when praying, declares:

"I, with my appreciation and convictions choose for myself to be a worshipper of Omniscient God and a Zarathushtrian. I appreciate Good Thoughts, Good Words and Good Deeds. I appreciate the Good Religion of worshipping Omniscient God, which overthrow yokes yet sheaths swords, teaches self-reliance and is righteous."


The religion spread as far as northern China and later to India when islam arrived and forced people out.

Could it be possible that this religion also spread west and was already in Ireland when Christianity arrived?
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Re: Anglesey

Postby Boreades » 9:41 pm

Do we mean a religion as practiced by Druids? If the Druids were the fire-breathing and light worshipping people suppressed by Roman Christianity, and Ahura Mazda (Light Wisdom) was the proto-monetheistic religion that worshipped fire....

We're told Zoroastrianism was initial based in Bactria - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria - Do we have a route to the west for this to travel in our direction? Tantalisingly yes, as the Magi of Jesus' birth were possibly Zoroastrian wise men (travelling from the east). This website - http://members.efn.org/~opal/therealmagi.html - is certain they were.

But wouldn't that be too late for a transfer to Ireland? Do we have Zoroastrian-like philosophy in evidence in the west in years BC?

In old Gaelic society the house fire was kept on all year round until it was to be renewed


This is a tradition in some old places in Devon as well, especially up on the edge of Dartmoor. Keep the home fires burning. More tantalising whisps of connections...
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Re: Anglesey

Postby TisILeclerc » 10:36 pm

Ah Borry mon brave

we are zee lords of time or vee are zee lord temporal

The Divine message was revealed and taught in North-Eastern Iran in 1738 BCE, the Zarathushtrian religion and spread all over the Iranian Plateau by the 6th century BCE. It was instrumental in the founding of the world's first universal empire by the Achaemenids under Cyrus the Great in 550 BCE.


I do hope the colours match the house style

This religion preceded all the other desert religions.

For some reason zer is no coloures oh meing gotts
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Re: Anglesey

Postby Boreades » 11:04 pm

Tisi, why have you started talking like a German Time Lord? Is it because Dr Who is back on TV?

There were Germans interested in colours. One in particular was Dr. Werner Kissling in 1934. He sailed across to Eriskay and made a black & white film of the locals making wool with crottle scraped from the rocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9_tOh6NYOs
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Re: Anglesey

Postby TisILeclerc » 11:10 pm

They didn't breathe fire they looked into it.

A common practice amongst hippies and gurus etc.

But fire and light were important, yes.
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Re: Anglesey

Postby Boreades » 11:31 pm

Yes, fire as the symbol of illumination, and perhaps hence the illuminati?
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Re: Anglesey

Postby hvered » 12:28 pm

There's only one place where fire is essential to survival. For reindeer-herders tending the fire is a 'religion'.
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Re: Anglesey

Postby Mick Harper » 12:42 am

A Cruciform Passage Grave heavily decorated with rock art in Anglesey. This outstanding location, which translates as Giantess Apronful (another being situated near Conwy), is NW of Aberffraw and S Rhosneigr, off the A4080http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=1492.


Apologies if we've featured this one before but we really ought to get to the bottom of this giantess carrying around big rocks in her apron motif.
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Re: Anglesey

Postby hvered » 8:35 am

Barclodiad y Gawres (“The Giantess's Apronful), on Anglesey doesn't appear to be associated with any particular legends or even giant(ess). but Googling for references to giantesses with aprons full of stones brings up the Rombald's Moor walk in West Yorkshsire http://www.themegalithicempire.com/walks/walks/?p=276 in connection with the Great Skirtful of Stones, a cairn on Burley Moor in West Yorkshire

To the east of the Grubstones is a cairn called The Great Skirtful of Stones, whose stones are supposed to have fallen from the apron of a giantess, Rombald’s wife, during a quarrel. The apron, oddly homely, is reminiscent of Hermes’ pouch or purse and the motif frequently occurs in megalithic lore (the protagonist can vary, other times it is Jack or the Devil strewing stones). It is also worth noting that one of the most distinctive elements of Freemasonry is of course the Masonic apron.


There's also a sister cairn close by called the Little Skirtful of Stones, or the Little Apronful of Stones, for which the excellent Northern Antiquarian found more or less the same 'explanation'.

The creation myth of this place tells that the giant Rombald (who gives his name to the moor) was in trouble with his wife and when he stepped over to Almscliffe Crags from here, his giant wife – who is never named – dropped a small bundle of stones she was carrying in her apron. (In traditional societies elsewhere in the world where this motif is also found, it tends to relate to the site being created by women.) Harry Speight (1900) tells us of a variation of the tale,

which tradition says was let fall by the aforementioned giant Rumbalds, while hastening to build a bridge over the Wharfe.”

Variations on this story have said it was the devil who made the site, but this is a denigrated christian variant on the earlier, and probably healthier, creation tale. Similar tales are told of the Great Skirtful of Stones, 500 yards south.


The best-known giantess-carrying-stones legend is the St Michael's Mount story which came up in the 'Jack and the Beanstalk' thread

The giant eventually known as Cormoran is attributed with constructing St. Michael's Mount, a tidal island off Cornwall's southern coast. According to the folklore, he carried white granite from the mainland at low tide to build the island. In some versions, the giant's wife, Cormelian, assisted by carrying stones in her apron. According to one version, when Cormoran fell asleep from exhaustion, his more industrious wife fetched greenstone from a nearer source, eschewing the less accessible granite. When she was halfway back, Cormoran awoke to discover Cormelian bringing different stones than he wanted, and kicked her. The stones fell from her apron and formed Chapel Rock.
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Re: Anglesey

Postby hvered » 8:44 am

This link http://www.valleystream.co.uk/giants.htm tells the Conwy legend of Rowen, Ro apparently meaning pebbles or gravel and 'wen' white.

One of the gaints carried a large stone under each arm, which would form the window frame of the house they were going to build on Anglesey. The giantess, his wife, held in her apron an awkward bundle of smaller rocks, plucked from the mountains, to be used for the walls of their new home.


The location tells its own story

....they reached the highest point of a pass between two mountain ranges. From here they could look forward over the wooded valleys to the sea at Aber and the Island of Anglesey beyond.
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