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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Mick Harper » 11:53 am

Unless THOBR is correct and that the English-speakers were easy meat for all invaders (including the Anglo-Saxons) but the Celtic-speakers were not (presumably because of the clan system).
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Boreades » 12:23 pm

Yes, or because the "Celts" in Cornwall were also Overlords, not so easily dealt with as the English-speaking peasants and serfs?
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Mick Harper » 1:18 pm

This is unlikely by Saxon times. Yes, THOBR says that the Celts were overlords in English-speaking areas until the Roman invasion but after that the Celts were reduced to being simply 'the general population' in their original settled territories in Cornwall, west Wales, west and north Scotland. They can be understood generally as being 'a martial race' cf zulus in southern Africa, pathans and sikhs in India etc etc with the English a populous underclass.

But by the same token, all invaders found it relatively easy to oust the Celts in areas where they were simply the previous invaders (and presumably had no trouble from the un-militarised English who perhaps even welcomed their liberators). But of course it became much tougher going taking on the Celts in their own homelands.
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Boreades » 7:42 pm

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten the Celts had already had the resistance kicked out of them by the Romans.
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby TisILeclerc » 9:19 pm

But surely if the people of England were English and not Celts it would have been the English who had the resistance kicked out of them?
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Mick Harper » 9:29 pm

What Borry means, in his endearingly muddled way, is that the English had had the resistance kicked out of them by all and sundry for hundreds if not thousands of years but in 37 AD the Celtic (and Belgae) overlords of the English were replaced by the Romans (then the Anglo-Saxons, then the Danes, then the Normans).

But in the Celtic homelands in the west the Celts were not the overlords they were the ordinary people. But martial people, unlike the English, and hence the Romans couldn't manage to occupy Celt-land in Ireland and northern Scotland, the Anglo-Saxons ditto in Cornwall, Wales, northern Scotland and Ireland, the Vikings/Danes ditto in Cornwall, Wales and northern Scotland and the Normans ditto in West Wales and northern Scotland. Alles klaar?
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby TisILeclerc » 9:45 pm

Alles Klaar?

Nein mein freund, alles is nitch klaar.

Vee vill fight zem on zee beeches und in die oaks und etc

One assumes that there was a universal clan system. I think we are assuming too much of zee pesky leetle Celts.

Perhaps in Ireland and Scotland but Cornwall?

Each area of the country must have had its own expertise. The Cornish and Welsh had metals and mining.

The Lakes had stone chopping and flint knapping unless it was somewhere else.

People are defined by what they do for a living whether they like it or not. Every society has its jokes about tailors and hairdressers.

But nobody jokes about the muscleman with the large sword. Even today.

Each community has a knock on effect. If the Cornish are up to their eyes in mud and iron filings they need someone to grow the tiddy oggies, No?

Even if tribes are disunited they know when to sell and who to sell it to and what price.

By the way I've got a suitcase of genuine Swiss watches if anyone's interested.
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Boreades » 9:46 pm

Can you mention the Normans in Italy please?
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Mick Harper » 9:48 pm

And in Greece, Cyprus and the Holy Land, you mean? Answer: because there were no Celts there. Unless you know different.
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Re: Scilly Isles and Cornwall

Postby Boreades » 9:50 pm

By the way, wasn't the universal clan system a myth?

As in, the Romans were a dab hand at playing one clan off against another?

And the same issue was the downfall of Scots resistance against the Sassanachs (from both Edinburgh and England)
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