New Views over Megalithia

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Chine meaning backbone is lomo in Spanish. Loam in English is thick clay, mud or silt, often used in metalworking to make moulds. There may be no relationship at all though southern Spain and southern England share a long trading history.

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I think this video should be watched by anyone interested in the subject

It deals with early surveying in England and the rest of the world. Lots of nice pictures of stones, dolmens and the rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k39MYxDGMO0

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Thanks for the links, I'm about half-way into first one (Part 2) and fast losing patience. The magisterial style is punctuated by absurd pronouncements e.g. barrows built as protection against the sky falling in [when the whole thrust of his argument is to show how sophisticated people were back then].

He commits the cardinal sin of citing Climate Change without supporting the claim, for instance Sumerians migrated because 'monsoons moved south'. Part 7 seems to follow this pattern as "Snowball Earth" is mentioned in the first sentence where a woolly mammoth is frozen to death "with grass in its mouth". Hapgood said it was drowned, a casualty of the deluge, and preserved in the ice which makes sense since a region doesn't disappear under ice in seconds unlike a wall of water.

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His videos do repeat the same things. I imagine he is recycling his ideas for separate audiences.

Having said that much of what he is saying comes from research done by others and seems to me to be quite sound.

Much of what he says is taken from the writings of Christian O'Brien who was apparently a leading surveyor in the oil industry and who later became a self taught linguist in order to translate for himself ancient texts.

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/obrienvsitchin.php

Immanuel Velikovsky in his book Worlds in Collision put forward the idea that some kind of cosmic catastrophe had a devastating effect on the earth. Unfortunately his book was published at the height of the 'red scare' in America and everybody associated with his ideas suffered as a result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

The idea put forward in these videos is that the earth was hit by something so big that it tilted on its axis. This caused land masses and ice sheets to shift very quickly. The bodies of mammoths have been dug up in Siberia for a long time. The fact that they had tropical plants in their mouths shows that at their death the climate was very warm and became freezing cold in an instant. Drowning animals, including mammoths, would have been quickly disposed of by fish I would imagine if it was all part of the normal cycle of life and death.

Surviving humans had to regroup and make the best of what was left for them to survive. This would have meant among other things keeping an eye on what was coming towards the earth. The fire and brimstone etc of the Bible was not the work of a vengeful God but of interplanetary debris. We still get this stuff coming in as we saw last year with the fireball over Russia.

What is interesting about his talks is the pointing out of the massive stone buildings built at a very early age. How they managed to cut and move and build stones weighing hundreds of tons is something we can't explain under normal accepted history. After all we are talking about stone age hunter gatherers living in caves aren't we?

Other posts on this site have mentioned the early surveyors, Michael etc. Even documentary sources and early maps show that somebody was responsible for mapping Europe and other parts of the world at a very early age. This must have taken a great deal of organisation as well as the skills and knowledge needed for this work. The Pirei Reis map is only one of many such maps.

The idea is that before the catastrophe there was an advanced civilisation which collapsed following the natural disaster but the survivors would have remembered what they had been capable of before. I wonder how we would cope today if something really devastating happened on a global scale? Food and shelter first and then what?

What we are told in official history and what is taught in schools is that there was an ice age, our ancestors were extremely primitive cavemen (and women) and over the past ten thousand years have struggled bit by bit to get to the dizzy heights of our wonderful technicalogical civilisation.

If it took ten thousand years for this to happen what were they doing for the hundreds of thousands of years before?

Modern researchers are digging up lost cities and civilisations all over the world as well as discovering underwater cities. I think that this man and those he quotes are looking back at ancient texts to remove the superstition and religion associated with them to look at them from a more logical point of view. This gets rid of gods and spacemen.

His conclusions may be wrong but I think that opening the debate up to fresh ideas could only be a good thing if we really want to discover what went on in the past.

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Re. Christian O'Brien

V.interesting 89 minute video here

The Genius of the Few - Digitised Lecture
Who designed the great stone monuments of Avebury Ring, Stonehenge and Silbury Hill? It was this question that prompted a long line of enquiry that led initially to the Middle East and the Lebanon and then to other parts of the world. In this superb lecture Christian and Joy O'Brien present the findings of that research that formed the basis of the book The Genius of the Few and has led to the posing of a whole new set of questions regarding the common origins of humanity, the Old Testament, the accounts of Enoch and the garden of Eden. Incredible research which provides proof of the advanced civilization in the archaic world. Digitised lecture by Christian and Joy O'Brien presenting the findings of their research.

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/genius.php

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The poor mammoth's last meal was grass, from the local riverbank. I don't have Hapgood to hand but recall he said the animal drowned in mud, not a chance of being devoured by fish or anything else.

Most of Edmund Marriage's material seems based on extensive reading and research way beyond my scope though when he talks about stuff I'm familiar with there are several jarring omissions and/or conclusions. So, Barbury Castle is on the Ridgeway roughly a droving day's journey from Avebury. Silbury and Marlborough Mound are similarly linked to Avebury via what is now the A4, another long-distance track stretching (though he doesn't say so) to Ramsgate etc. You can draw any number of triangles, isosceles or other, and miss out an entire network.

Likewise Martin's Down in Dorset which is beside the A35, still the main way to and from Dorset and the all-important Chesil Beach/Portland area. According to Devereux, Martin's Down may be part of a cursus, a la Cranbourne Chase, but either way Edmund Marriage ignores the usefulness of the Grim's Ditch dyke that, like the other Grim's ditches constructed on recognised routes, keeps people and their animals on track. [John Michell claimed the nearby Nine Stones stone circle on the A35 is linked to Avebury via a ley line].

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There have been many mammoths found over the years. The one you mention may have been eating grass but others were said to have been eating tropical plants. The bodies had no time to rot or decay. They were frozen immediately.

He does mention Grim's Dyke in one of the talks, I forget which one. There are about eight in all starting from the time when people were sheltering from cometary debris as best they could to this one in which he describes the surveying of Britain.

In some of the videos he mentions I think Wansdyke and Offa's dyke as being much older than usually given credit for and ties it in with boundaries and cattle containment. He also mentions 'hillforts' in this respect as being animal enclosures rather than military forts etc.

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Today I've stumbled on another group of pilgrims prancing along the Michael Line. Except they call it The Mary/Michael Pilgrims Way

http://marymichaelpilgrimsway.org

They seem to like crows as route guides.



The proposed route will extend from the cliff tops of West Cornwall at Carn Lês Boel near Land’s End to Hopton on the Norfolk Coast. ...The Earth Energy currents identified by Hamish Miller and Paul Broadhurst and described in their book The Sun and The Serpent are being followed in developing this project.



Some of the route coincides with the Ridgeway Trail.



http://www.penwithpress.co.uk/michael-m ... tail#my-id

Are we friends with dowsers now?

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Why follow such straggling routes? A self-proclaimed dowser would surely be mortified by this map.

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People reaching the Farne Islands could waterproof their shoes with pig's lard that Cuthbert's ravens brought, so the story goes. Perhaps seal blubber, or eider oil, was used, but either way the Cuthbert legend focuses on drying feet, first with a pair of otters which dried and warmed the saint's feet and then the ravens who brought him pig's lard to make amends for having stolen thatch.

It wouldn't surprise anyone if it turns out that waterproofing was another string to the monks' bow. It might be profitable to produce the shoes too but that means tanning, presumably too unclean for monks, though in the nineteenth century Clark's, one of the most traditional high street shoe suppliers, was established at Street, near Glastonbury.