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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 1:26 pm

Mike then mentioned the Fellahin, who get on with the Peasanting while the New Overlords rearranged the title deeds.

It seems the notion of a "glass ceiling" in society is not new. The overlords can, err, slide across the top, while fellahs like us can watch from below and wonder wos'appenin'?
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Re: Book & site list

Postby TisILeclerc » 3:56 pm

'It seems the notion of a "glass ceiling" in society is not new. The overlords can, err, slide across the top, while fellahs like us can watch from below and wonder wos'appenin'?'

If you ever visit, or have visited, Dunvegan Castle you'll come across the little personal dungeon they have there.

It consists of a deep hole in the floor and is conveniently placed for the smell of cooking to waft in from the kitchen above.

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http://donntodusk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... -2012.html

If the unfortunate prisoner begged for food they'd be given a lump of salted meat.

The overlords could certainly slide across the top, while fellahs like us would certainly be watching from below and wonder wos'appenin'.

I believe that one of the MacLeod women burned two of her daughters alive in the dungeon. A bit of a family tiff no doubt.
A quite restrained activity for the MacLeod overlords when one thinks of it. They stole all their possessions from the Nicolsons by murdering all the males who were in line for inheriting the Nicolson clan title and lands. They then married the surviving daughter. Turned her into a MacLeod and changed the inheritance laws so that females were excluded.

A MacDonald gentleman I once knew chuckled about his plan for wiping out the Campbells. He recommended doing what he had done. He married one and turned her into a MacDonald. He explained that there was no need for violence in these civilised times.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 7:22 pm

Marrying a Campbell? Ye Gods, a brave move indeed!

Let's hope the offspring of that union are forgetful or forgiving of the aforementioned heinous deeds. In Clan Boreades, discovering a Campbell in the family tree would still cause much shock and distress.

But (whisper it quietly) MacDonalds have even been known to marry MacLeods, another auld enemy.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 10:30 pm

Fortunately for the peaceful lineage of the current Clan Boreades, your reporter had the sense to "go darn sarf". The current Lady Boreades is of good Guernsey/Isle of Wight/Cornish/South Wales sea-faring stock. As she has proudly recounted to two separate lots of visitors from Guernsey and Alderney in the last two weeks. The ancient trade routes are still active.
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Postby Boreades » 10:46 pm

This is a time-honoured tradition, established by the head chiefs of many of the Highland Clans, who all buggered off darn sarf, c.1745. Sadly and infamously, they all did it with the wealth of their erstwhile fraternal clan brethren, who were left oop north, wondering where all the petty cash had gone.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby TisILeclerc » 6:53 am

Assuming there were any left 'oop north' to wonder where the money went.

The MacDonald chief on Skye was content to send for money when he ran out of funds in Nice for his gambling debts. He did this by raising the rents etc. When there was a rebellion he sent the police in and later evicted his tenants destroying their houses to make sure they couldn't come back.

The MacLeods were made of sterner stuff. They actually sold their own people into slavery in the Americas.

'Isabel Grant gives a thorough and honest account of Long nan Daoine in her book “The MacLeods”, even though it marks the lowest point in the history of the clan. It’s well worth remembering this year as we celebrate the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade. In November 1739 the magistrates of Donaghadee in Ireland reported
that ninety “felons” had escaped from a ship, the William, that had touched there on her way from Skye and Harris to America.

On closer examination, the magistrates found that nearly thirty of the “felons” were women and children, “many of whom did not seem to exceed ten years of age”. The rest were mostly young men, “and in the whole they were the most miserable objects of compassion and the most helpless creatures that had ever appeared to us”.

These people had been snatched from their communities in Skye and Harris by a representative of their own chief, Norman MacLeod of Dunvegan, to be sold as slaves (or “indentured servants”, to use the technical expression). MacLeod was short of money; by tradition he was absolute ruler of his people, and he thought he would sell a few. But knowing there were moral and legal arguments against it, he had arranged for Norman MacLeod, younger of Berneray, to do the dirty work for him. His neighbour Sir Alexander MacDonald of Sleat, whom he had under his thumb, was also complicit.'

It looks like the two clans found common cause for once.

http://www.macaskillsociety.org/files/R ... n-Hill.pdf
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Postby Boreades » 1:18 pm

Here's a 790-page book called The Clan Donald:
https://ia801409.us.archive.org/7/items ... 03macd.pdf

Written by the two Revs:
A. MacDonald, Minister of Killearnan
A. MacDonald, Minister of Kilterlity

It has its share of righteous indignation e.g. "The Chiefship of a Highland Clan not a feudal dignity. — Held by the consent of the Clan" - but seems to gloss over the spending habits of the absentee lords.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby TisILeclerc » 3:27 pm

Reading these family histories reminds me of gangsters like the Krays or Al Capone.

If only they had bards to sing their praises.

Oh yes, they did of course. The Krays were very much revered in the circles of effete luvviedom and certain lordly circles and Al Capone did a lot for Hollywood.

The reason they sniff at the 'feudal' bit is probably because the kings were busy importing Normans from England to do the feudal thing in Scotland as it worked so well on the English. Which meant that there was an alternative power base being built up in Scotland.

No doubt I'll get a harrumph from Mr Harper of that ilk for suggesting such a thing.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 3:50 pm

I'll probably get a harrumph from Mr Harper as well, for suggesting selling British people as slaves was nothing new. Up and down the West Coast of Britain, In the Western Isles, it's usually blamed on the Vikings. In Ireland it's the Barbary Corsairs wot dunnit.
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Postby TisILeclerc » 3:56 pm

Sounds like the British Isles were little more than a human farm for foreign farmers or slave traders to come and round the flock up at intervals and take them all off to market.
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