Megalithic shipping and trade routes

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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby hvered » 2:22 pm

The rather mysterious tidal causewayed islands with their 'Venus pools' that some of us have been obsessing over appear to be proto-lighthouses. This would be why they are often on rocky shores unsuitable for landing and why the causeways are only accessible twice a day.

Most of the causewayed islands seem to be markers, indicating where boats can be beached, while others such as La Corbiere off Jersey are clearly warning sailors away. Would mariners be able to tell them apart?
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Mick Harper » 2:26 am

The biggest Roman ship ever found outside the Mediterranean was dug up in the entrance to St Peter Port harbour, Guernsey a few years ago. It was returned to Guernsey (after conservation work by the Mary Rose people) this week.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 10:38 am

A good nudge on something we made use of earlier.

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According to BBC News and here:
Two timbers from the ship are due to be displayed at Candie Museum as part of the Celts and Romans: Treasure and Trade exhibition, which features coins from a hoard found in Jersey and opens at the end of March.

Do we have anyone from Jersey here? ;-)
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 5:09 pm

Sadly the SS Boreades is not seaworthy at the moment. Boats get old, things need fixing, and its scurvy crew is not likely to have fixed it all in time for a TME team-building sail across to St Peter Port or St Helier by 28th March. For those in a hurry to see the exhibits, all I can suggest is a trip on the Vomit Comet from Portsmouth. Heave-ho me hearties!
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Mick Harper » 7:00 pm

But not from Weymouth. After 5000 years (according to TME) of direct sailing, the new Condor ferry as of March 2015 is too big for the harbour so Weymouth to the Channel Islands is now kaput. (It'll be going from Poole which as all here know is the largest ex-salt works in Europe.)
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby hvered » 6:01 pm

One might think Guernsey would jump at the chance at offering something that Jersey doesn't have but the cost of displaying the Roman wreck, estimated at just over 1 million pounds, has held things up. Since Guernsey, like all the Channel Islands, is a millionaire's haven, the (thirty-year) delay may conceivably be down to lack of interest rather than lack of money.

The ship would no doubt have generated more excitement in a more appropriate setting. It's to be hoped that Guernsey starts taking a keener interest in its maritime history. This find does after all apparently confirm the role of the Channel Islands as a waystation on the Atlantic sea route, of international importance and, according to the report, "one of the oldest European sea-going ships found outside the Mediterranean and probably the largest surviving object from Roman Britain."

Trapped within the pitch were many objects including tile from what appeared to be its galley, plus pottery and coins. Food remains were found deep in the bilge. Objects recovered come from as far away as Algeria and Germany, suggesting this ship may have been a coaster, engaged in what the French call cabotage, carrying cargoes of opportunity from port to port. The identifiable pottery and the blocks of pitch suggest that the final journey began in southwest France.

Two intriguing finds were a pair of cast bronze bearings, thought to have been from the bilge pump. Similar bearings are known from Roman shipwrecks in the Mediterranean (Foerster 1984). Their presence demonstrates the hybrid nature of this vessel – a thoroughly Roman piece of engineering fitted into a Celtic-style craft. Much the same can be said for the use of standard Roman roof tiles for the galley roof.

The ship is the islandʼs largest and most significant ancient object. We already have evidence that Guernsey played a part in the Iron Age Atlantic wine trade (Galliou 1986), and we know that as far back as the Neolithic, objects from France were coming here by boat (Sebire 2005, 56). The Roman ship fills another gap in the story, demonstrating that St Peter
Port played a role in the trade networks of the Roman Empire 1600 years ago. It is part of Guernseyʼs long history as a waystation, entrepot, and harbour of refuge.

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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 6:46 pm

hvered wrote:One might think Guernsey would jump at the chance at offering something that Jersey doesn't have but the cost of displaying the Roman wreck, estimated at just over 1 million pounds, has held things up. Since Guernsey, like all the Channel Islands, is a millionaire's haven, the (thirty-year) delay may conceivably be down to lack of interest rather than lack of money.


Yes, it seems the idea of free ports and tax havens goes further into the Channel Islands history than most would expect.

Two intriguing finds were a pair of cast bronze bearings, thought to have been from the bilge pump. Similar bearings are known from Roman shipwrecks in the Mediterranean (Foerster 1984). Their presence demonstrates the hybrid nature of this vessel – a thoroughly Roman piece of engineering fitted into a Celtic-style craft. .


Something about that smells like, er, bilge to me. I think it's the assumption that if it was good engineering it must have been Roman. I will take that as an insult and a challenge. Spade being sharpened, digging will commence ASAP....
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby hvered » 4:21 pm

According to an archaeology programme on TV yesterday, the only complete Viking ship burial in the UK was found at Ardnamurchan which also happens to be the location of a Neolithic chambered tomb and a Bronze Age cist. The lighthouse at Ardnamurchan Point is the most westerly point of mainland Britain so it would appear appropriate as a burial place, if the assumption that the west is connected to death is correct.

Does the name Ardnamurchan mean anything? Perhaps there's a link with march/ market/ merchant.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 5:54 pm

Wiki tells us that it means the Headland of the Great Seas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardnamurchan

While a Gaelic placenames site says that it is the Headland of the Seals.

http://www.gaelicplacenames.org/databas ... php?id=146

The usual word for seal is 'ron' so I couldn't really say which is correct. Sea is 'muir' and the genetive is 'mara' so I'm not sure where 'murchan' fits in unless it is local dialect or an older form of the word for sea, or for that matter seal.

For those interested here's a bilingual pdf of gaelic place name elements etc.

http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/publications ... dscape.pdf

And here's the Ordnance Survey's excellent introduction to the subject.

http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/resourc ... names.html

Meanwhile here's a Viking cargo ship on its way to Norway trying to bury itself in sympathy with the Viking Longship buried here.

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However, it has now refloated itself

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I don't suppose that's a Venus pool of sorts in the foreground is it?

Taken from

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/ ... -1-3696637
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