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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 11:26 am

hvered 'There must be an underlying assumption because every time anything suggesting a calendar is found, the archaeologists nod sagely and pronounce it to be a farming calendar.'

Stephen Bax has an interesting talk on the Voynich manuscript and his attempts to decode it. Part of the discussion focusses on ancient calendars which he claims show similarities to certain sections of the manuscript.

It gets quite complicated and has a lot to do with the moon being in various 'mansions' etc. I'm sure monsieur Borry will understand it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3Bgih3LkI
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 12:43 pm

TisILeclerc wrote:hvered 'There must be an underlying assumption because every time anything suggesting a calendar is found, the archaeologists nod sagely and pronounce it to be a farming calendar.'

Funny that. The astrologers/astronomers/watchers do the observation and keep the records, decide on how the year should be segmented into months (or whatever), give the periods names that are meaningful and memorable, like Samoni (Summer's End) and Dumannos (World Darkness), and the farmers use it, so it must be a farming calendar. Ah well, better that than another "ritual object"? ROFL.

TisILeclerc wrote:Stephen Bax has an interesting talk on the Voynich manuscript and his attempts to decode it. Part of the discussion focusses on ancient calendars which he claims show similarities to certain sections of the manuscript. It gets quite complicated and has a lot to do with the moon being in various 'mansions' etc. I'm sure monsieur Borry will understand it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3Bgih3LkI

Err, various 'mansions' = houses of the zodiac?
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 12:55 pm

I'm not sure where to put this one but it's connected with the desert theory etc.

It seems like the Amazon gets paid for putting water into the atmosphere by the Sahara which sends millions of tons of dust across the Atlantic to fertilise the Amazon.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 73370.html

And skipping back to the Isle of Wight wheat the Independent has a bit more information on its site including references to flints and tools from outside the area as well as split timbers which were an innovation etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 73458.html
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 12:24 am

I'm not sure where to put this one either, but:

National Anthems.

Brittany
Bro Gozh ma Zadoù (Breton for Old Land of My Fathers) is the national anthem of Brittany.
http://youtu.be/voC7ApQnzdA

Bro Goth Agan Tasow - Cornish Land of our Fathers
http://youtu.be/ojdZaPeJjAo

Welsh anthem (Land of my fathers)
http://youtu.be/3kUnCwV3AYE

Stand to attention you at the back!
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 8:36 am

You missed out 'Lloyd George Was My Father'. A reputation similar to Ghengis Khan I believe.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 7:50 pm

OFGS! Do I have to spell it out?
Three different Celtic regions, but all with the same anthem?
Yeth.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 9:11 pm

'OFGS! Do I have to spell it out?
Three different Celtic regions, but all with the same anthem?
Yeth.'

Yeth indeed Bro.

A bit like buses. If you wait long enough three come along at the same time. That is one of the fixed laws of the universe and all that and all that.

From AppWiki of that ilk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro_Gozh_ma_Zado%C3%B9

'Bro Gozh ma Zadoù (Breton: Old Land of My Fathers) is the anthem of Brittany, sometimes presented as the "national anthem"[1] although it has no official status. It is sung to the same tune as that of the national anthem of Wales, Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, and has similar words. The Cornish anthem, Bro Goth Agan Tasow, is also sung to the same tune.

The Breton lyrics are the creation of François Jaffrennou in 1897, and the music was that composed by James James, of Pontypridd, Wales, for Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau. The new song was first published in 1898, and circulated as Henvelidigez ("Adaptation"). It was chosen as national anthem (and a song to celebrate friendship between the Welsh and Bretons) in 1903, at a Congress of the Union Régionaliste Bretonne held in Lesneven. Maurice Duhamel adapted it for the piano, and it was first recorded by Pathé in 1910.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_Wlad_Fy_Nhadau

'Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Welsh pronunciation: [heːn wlɑːd və ˈn̥adaɨ̞]) is the official national anthem of Wales.[1] The title – taken from the first words of the song – means "Old Land of My Fathers" in Welsh, usually rendered in English as simply "Land of My Fathers". The words were written by Evan James and the tune composed by his son, James James, both residents of Pontypridd, Glamorgan, in January 1856.[1][2] The earliest written copy survives and is part of the collections of the National Library of Wales.[2]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro_Goth_agan_Tasow

'Bro Goth agan Tasow ("Old Land of our Fathers") is one of the anthems of Cornwall, England, UK sung in the Cornish language. It is sung to the same tune as the Welsh national anthem, Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau. The Breton anthem Bro Gozh ma Zadoù also uses the same tune.

The Song of the Western Men, more commonly known as Trelawny, is often considered to be the Cornish anthem as well, and as in Scotland, opinion is divided on the matter, and there is no official position. Trelawny's words are certainly more widely known amongst Cornish people.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... of_England

'While England itself does not have an official national anthem, there are many songs which are considered to fill such a role. In most of the national sporting fixtures 'God Save the Queen', the British national anthem, is used.'

The tune itself has been used and is being used by many other countries including apparently Iceland, Norway, Lichtenstein to name but three.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen

As for Scotland, they haven't bothered to get themselves one although several have been put forward including the dreadful Flower of Scotland which must be equal to God Save the Queen in its dreariness. Unfortunately Scotland's football supporters seem to think that it is fitting for a Scottish anthem.

'Scotland's football supporters have narrowly backed Flower of Scotland being officially recognised as the country's national anthem. '

http://www.scotsman.com/news/flower-of- ... -1-3689989

The invention of 'celtic' nationalism with its fancy dress and invented rituals is just one of those things we must put up with. There are certainly political and cultural points to it but as for anthems it really boils down to who's got the loudest voice. At the moment it looks like 'Europe' with Deutschland Uber Alles is winning the match. But, who knows, they think it's all over but is it?
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 12:12 am

"The invention of 'celtic' nationalism with its fancy dress and invented rituals is just one of those things we must put up with. "

Yus.

God forbid if it turns out it was working-class Brits wot dunnit while the Celts were prancing around as the overlords.

UKIP would have a field day!
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 12:04 am

Elsewhere (yes dear there is life outside this forum), I stumbled on the question "Where did Noah get all that wood from?"

I offered an explanation much rehearsed here.

For those that weren't sleeping at the back in kindergarten world geography lessons, you might have notice that the flag of Lebanon still has the cedar tree on it. Way back in the time of Solomon, there were for a while enough cedar trees around to fuel the fabled Mines of Solomon. That was until they deforested enough of the country to make the copper mining unviable. That's when the mining moved to Cyprus, which also used to be a richly forested island. Not at all like it seems now, after they had chopped all the trees down to smelt the copper there.

You might by now have noticed a pattern. Before Solomon's era, trees were plentiful, and Noah would (wood?, Edward Woodward?) not have much trouble finding the wood, would he?

The copper mining kept moving westwards until it got as far as Britain.

Anglesey at one time had the biggest copper mine in the whole of Europe, or so I'm told, and Devon and Cornwall were also richly forested areas before the mining arrived, or so I'm told..


I was, quite correctly, corrected.

Mynydd Parys (Parys Mountain) - dominated the world copper industry in the late C18th.

Which I acknowledged, only to get this response:

Well, you may recall (not directly of course) that we had a specific need for a lot of copper about then. I'd better not say more here.

I'm perplexed.
Are there more secrets we are yet to be initiated into?
What were we doing with the copper?
What part of TME/Anglesey/Roman history have I forgotten?
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Mick Harper » 12:18 am

Copper sheathing of ships started at the end of the 18th Century which made Parys Mountain's fortune. It's owned by a friend of mine, or so he claims occasionally. But as we are reminded weekly in Poldark, before that copper was useless without tin. By the way, now that Poldark's every dream has come true, the tropes of television demands he crashes back to earth next week. My assumption is that his wife dies in childbirth which is not only satisfyingly dramatically but teaches us all a lesson about the folly of presuming above one's station.
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