Megalithic shipping and trade routes

[Boreades]

This R1b?



Besides that curious hotspot of gingers in Russia, there's another curious hotspot in south of the Sahara in Africa.



Megaliths in that area have only been mentioned in passing.

[Boreades]

People interested in the "Out Of America" theory might also be interested in Haplogroup Q

Haplogroup Q is found predominantly in Central Siberia, Central Asia and among Native Americans. Approximately 90% of pre-Columbian Native Americans belonged to haplogroup Q, and all descend from the branch Q1a2a1 (L54), including various subclades of Q1a2a1a1 (M3) and Q1a2a1a2 (Z780). In Europe haplogroup Q is found chiefly in southern Sweden (5%), among Ashkenazi Jews (5%), and is various isolated pockets in central and Eastern Europe such as the Rhône-Alpes region of France, southern Sicily, southern Croatia, northern Serbia, parts of Poland and Ukraine. Šarić et al. (2013) also found 6.1% of haplogroup Q out of 412 samples from the island of Hvar in southern Croatia (accompanied by 2% of East Asian mtDNA haplogroup F).

[Boreades]

M'Lady Boreades and I have a theory that there is a Haplogroup group for the wine trade.

This has been reinforced by a chance meeting with a new enterprise in King William's Yard in Plymouth, that offers sampling of wines (mostly French) along with what they called tapas, but we would call it plat de hor's doevres, with tasty meats, cheeses, olives.

As was, as is?

[TisILeclerc]

What happened to the haplogroup for oggies?

'Cyril Tawney wrote on his now defunct own website about his song:

First of all, what is meant by ‘oggie’? Well it's a slang term for a Cornish pasty. The full term is ‘tiddy oggie” and I'd say that its native use is confined mainly to Cornwall itself, and to South West Devon, around the Naval port of Plymouth. I've tried asking for an oggie in South East Devon, at Exeter St. David's Station, only to be met with a blank stare and a slack jaw (**see footnote). In the old days, you could buy oggies at many places in Plymouth, but sailors coming back to the Dockyard last thing at night were most likely to patronise the man who sold them from a box outside the Albert Gate. I first heard his vendor's cry on the radio during the war, long before I went West myself. A Plymouth sailor serving overseas had written in to a ‘Sounds from Home’ slot requesting the Oggie Man's cry. That's how famous he was. The Oggie Man was a permanent institution synonymous with the Royal Navy itself, or so everyone thought.

Before the war the Oggie Man had no competition, simply because there was no room for any. The Blitz, however, cleared a space right opposite his pitch, and in the late Forties first one, then two or three, caravan snack bars appeared on this bomb site, selling a variety of snacks, not just oggies. It was only a matter of time before the Oggie Man, as such, disappeared, either to retire from business or to get his own caravan and join the others. In the song, this change has taken place while the sailor has been away.'

https://mainlynorfolk.info/cyril.tawney ... ieman.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue63QK5itTc

I suppose the Tapas bar is evidence of the megalithic Iberians reclaiming their ancient trading posts?

'Ooh Arrrrh senor you wanna bit a garlic sausage?'

Cow 'eel and sheep's trotters washed down wi' tripe in vinegar and a good pint of beer. That would sort the stone lifting men from the poncey gold and bronze bedecked sailor boys and their Bordeaux Superieur. N'est ce pas?

[Boreades]

I suppose the Tapas bar is evidence of the megalithic Iberians reclaiming their ancient trading posts?

It's a mystery. These folk are from the Champagne region.

[TisILeclerc]

'It's a mystery. These folk are from the Champagne region.'


Ah. The Troyes connection.

Birth place of Hugues de Payens co founder of the Knights Templar

And Chretien de Troyes the Dan Brown of his age.

[Boreades]

(**see footnote)

What footnote?
Lost in translation?

In my youth, in Devon, "Oggie, Oggie, Oggie" was part of normal social banter (over a pint or two of cider) in the South Hams, and as far east as the Teign Valley. I've no idea what stopped it getting as far as Exeter.

[Boreades]

Cow 'eel and sheep's trotters washed down wi' tripe in vinegar and a good pint of beer. That would sort the stone lifting men from the poncey gold and bronze bedecked sailor boys and their Bordeaux Superieur. N'est ce pas?

Sounds much too Lancashire, where's the stone lifting in Lancs?

[TisILeclerc]

And Yorkshire, God's own country.

I did mention once that an American archaeologist and pyramid expert Alfred Kidder put forward the theory that Roseberry Topping was a pyramid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_V._Kidder



http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/eerie ... ry-4005288

Apparently red ochre was dug from Roseberry in ancient times. There have also been finds of flint arrowheads and a bronze age 'hoard' was found. This is now in Sheffield. One of the items which 'disintegrated' after it was found included designs of the moon and stars. A bit similar perhaps to the one found at Stonehenge and elsewhere.

http://greatayton.wdfiles.com/local--fi ... opping.pdf

For other stone circles this map gives plenty of links.

http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/

There was a stone circle in the woods outside Scarborough until about the 1980s or 90s when there was a foot and mouth scare and people were banned from walking in the area.

During that period the stones disappeared. No doubt under someone's new driveway.

[Boreades]

Rumours persist that the stone-lifting men's social traditions survived in traditional formats like Cornish and Lancashire clog-dancing, and The Cloggies in particular. Which combined a ruggedly heterosexual dance tradition (unlike those effete southern Morris Dancers) with the North-Western martial art of Ecky Thump.

See Stan Postlethwaite & Co., the Fosdyke Tripeworks, and the whippets.