Megalithic shipping and trade routes

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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Mick Harper » 1:09 pm

Mentioned in passing in the 9th century Sanas Cormaic (good forgery if you can make it).


Let's see how difficult. Everything from Wiki

Sanas Cormaic (or Sanas Chormaic, Irish for "Cormac's narrative"),[1] also known as Cormac's Glossary, is an early Irish glossary containing etymologies and explanations of over 1,400 Irish words, many of which are difficult or outdated. The shortest and earliest version of the work is ascribed to Cormac mac Cuilennáin (d. 908), king-bishop of Munster.


OK, so it's supposed to be late ninth century. But see later.

It is an encyclopedic dictionary containing simple synonymous explanations in Irish or Latin of Irish words. In some cases he attempts to give the etymology of the words and in others he concentrates on an encyclopedic entry.


Pretty impressive for the ninth century. Our own first efforts were Doctor Johnson and others in the eighteenth century.

It is held to be the first linguistic dictionary in any of the non-classical languages of Europe.


Even more impressive!. Actually I'm not entirely sure that there is anything like this in the Classical languages (someone please advise).

Numerous of its entries are still frequently cited in Irish and Celtic scholarship.


You betcha. So when was it produced? The authorative source I take to be Manuscript A which seems to be from 1230. (Still damn impressive)

Leabhar Breac (Stokes’s version A) = Dublin, RIA, MS 1230 (23 P 16), pp. 263–72.


but it's based apparently also on this, for which we have a slightly later 'copy'

Yellow Book of Lecan (YBL) (Stokes’s version B) = Dublin, TCD MS 1318 (H.2.16), cols. 3-87 (= pp. 255a-283a in facsimile edition).


There seems to be seven early versions knocking around from the same sort of period. The only actual ninth century 'thing' we have is

MS Laud 610 (Stokes’s version G) = Oxford, Bodleian Library MS Laud 610, f. 79r-84r. Fragment corresponding to YBL, 756-1224.


This would indicate eighth century but on what basis I don't know. Shame it's only a fragment. Although it's also slightly strange that it's only a fragment since it must have been complete in the thirteenth century for it to have been copied. The copies seemed to have survived with no trouble but ... oh, no ... the original didn't. Normally I would assume all this is a product of 18th/19th century Irish nationalism but there being so many copies militates against this somewhat.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 10:38 am

Here's a nice article for anyone interested in anything to do with "America Before Vikings"

Startling new report on Oak Island could ‘rewrite history’ of the Americas

A team of expert researchers reckon they have unearthed astonishing evidence that Roman ships visited North America in antiquity - ‘during the first century or earlier’

http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/lo ... -1-7118097
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 12:21 pm

It's a Norman forgery. Quite obvious really.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 3:09 pm

What, the Normans got to America as well?
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 3:22 pm

They followed Brendan and that Welsh bloke Carodoc or whatever his name was.

No, I tell a lie. They got there and then wrote about the journeys of the Irish and Welsh.

They had a lot of fun with those two. And then just for devilment they dropped a forged Roman sword in the sea.

It was all for the book sales and royalties you see. The Ian Flemings of their age. Or Jeffrey Archer perhaps.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 5:31 pm

Funnily enough, I'm part-way through reading The Brendan Voyage by Tim Severin. Have got as far as their discovery that the best material is oxhide prepared in Devon or Cornwall with oak tanning. Which might have implications for megalithic trade goods.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 10:57 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2EsZhzVtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM64YBRZtac

Here are the first two parts of the film they made.

I don't know if there are any others.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 5:51 pm

An excellent find, thanks!

I'll save those for when I have time to myself. At the moment, likely to be sometime between 02:00 and 06:00. Right now, M'Lady is cracking the whip over the whole Clan Boreades, and we're just about to start stuffing the turkey. She's already warned the most-idle of the Boreadettes - "don't stand around the kitchen doing nothing, or you'll get this stuffing earlier than you expected!" Ooh-err missus!

Talking about getting stuffed, we've yet to arrange the Annual Review of The Megalithic Fleet. It ought to be conducted by Admiral Harper, but he hardly ever reports for duty these days. Rumour has it that he was least seen conducting manoeuvres on The Serpentine, but that might just be the way he walks home from his local in Notting Hill?

Left hand down a bit, number one.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 9:04 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vm-N_w73A

Like this eh? Ship shape and Bristol fashion.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 10:22 pm

While the admirable Admiral Harper is absent without leave, Able Seaman Boreades is pumping the bilges and keeping the Good Ship afloat.

Breaking news of prehistoric news in the New Year. Stand by your megaliths!
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