Megalithic shipping and trade routes

[TisILeclerc]

Is there a Dad's Marines I could join Borry? I quite fancy the idea. I could use my zimmer frame as a direction finder once I'd got it lined up with the north star.

Which makes me think. Were Stonehenge and the others megalithic sat navs?

They could have had little miniature stonehenges on the pointy end of their ships with a hairy druid in the middle pointing directions out.

[TisILeclerc]

You're a nautical sort of a bloke Borry I wonder if there is any sense in this or is it just an idea well past its time.

I was thinking of starboard and port and the usual explanations. Steer board and port etc. But suppose it was originally a star board. Norse and gaelic give us 'bord' for table. It could be a table with a star map on it close to the bloke with the giant paddle.

To look at the stars themselves we look through that celtic cross quadrant thing that that Scottish bloke wrote about. Forgot his name, sorry.

The old name for port is larboard which refers to carrying things. Or in French porter. In other words they had to separate one side of the ship from the other steering part which could cause problems. So port was where everything was carried on or off.

The man who checked the stars through the cross, or pried on them, or even prayed to them, could have been the prior. And he was on the pope deck to keep him free from everything else that might be going on. The length of the ship is the nave and this is accepted by the online etymology dictionary:

'nave (n.1) Look up nave at Dictionary.com
"main part of a church," 1670s, from Medieval Latin navem (nominative navis) "nave of a church," from Latin navis "ship" (see naval), on some fancied resemblance in shape.'

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?all ... earch=nave

Navy is from the French or Latin for boat or ship. Same dictionary.

Time on board ships is traditionally marked by ringing bells at specific times and in set sequences. Eight bells all told, as they say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship's_bell

Monks and other religious orders also use bells for various things. Monks traditionally have eight 'watches' when they pray etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours

Could it be that modern western religion was merely the transferring of nautical habits and discipline to land based structures. Which could go some way to explaining why the teachings and life of Jesus seem completely at odds with all the religious orders and teachings that came after him?

[hvered]

You're definitely onto something, Tis. The captain is on 'the bridge' and the pope or pontiff is a bridge-builder as Francis keeps reminding us. The layout of a church certainly mirrors a ship's.

Crichton Miller is the bloke who wrote about Celtic crosses being used for time-keeping and navigation, seems to have done practical as well as theoretical work to support his writings.

[TisILeclerc]

Thanks for the reminder of Chrichton Miller's name.

This thing about the sailors reminds me of companies like the East India Company. Every European country had their own version.

They set out as traders and then establish themselves as a ruling power.

I'm just waiting for Aldi or Lidl to declare their intentions.

[Boreades]

Chrichton Miller has been a bit quiet of late, but he wrote some fascinating material.

Awarded two British Patents on the system and instrument.
Published best seller, The Golden Thread of Time. ISBN-10: 1499532601 ISBN-13: 978-1499532609
Demonstrated at Cambridge University in 2006
Articles published in The Scotsman, Coventry Evening Telegraph with his research employed by seven other revisionist authors.
Lectures, Television and radio appearances in the UK and US as well as videos and DVD's.

http://www.crichtonmiller.com/crichton_em_miller.php

Seven other revisionist authors? Mick & Hattie = Two of them, I wonder who the other five are?


Scandinavian Rock Art showing a ship and a wheel cross dated 1300 BC

[Boreades]

Could it be that modern western religion was merely the transferring of nautical habits and discipline to land based structures. Which could go some way to explaining why the teachings and life of Jesus seem completely at odds with all the religious orders and teachings that came after him?

That makes sense. If Christianity wasn't spread by the Roman troops, who else could have spread it so far and wide? Perhaps only by ships trading over long distances. That might explain why there are so many "fishy" metaphors in Christianity.

[Boreades]

For some time I have had a hazy (and perhaps romantic) notion that the much-fabled Joseph of Arimathea was a shipping magnate of some sort. Or with ready access to ships. That being a "bridge" (sic) for all the legends of him being in Britain and France at some time.

At the time, he (or people like him) probably wasn't advertising himself as a Christian.

Dr. Bernard Susser, a Jewish rabbi, published a book called "The Jews of Southwest England" in 1993 (originally written as his 1977 Ph.D. thesis at the University of Exeter). It is available online now.

e.g.

A further indication of some degree of intercourse between the ancient Israelites and Celts is the similarity in sound and meaning of words and phrases in the Hebrew and Celtic languages. [Margoliouth, Jews in Britain, I,23. For 300 Ancient British expressions which are also Hebrew homonyms and synonyms, see H. Rowlands, Mona Antiqua Restaurata quoted in T. S. Duncombe, The Jews of England (1866), p. 25, where he mentions some 30 examples, and M. Margoliouth, Vestiges of the Historic Anglo-Hebrews in East Anglia (1870), p. 14, and p. 65 where he quotes eight phrases.] So much so, that in 1827 the British and Foreign Bible Society distributed Hebrew Bibles among the Cornish as being nearest the vernacular. [E. N. Adler, History of the Jews of London (Philadelphia, 1930), p. 1.]

The archaeological evidence relates to finds of coins and pottery. According to Dr Applebaum, Near Eastern coins of the Roman period found in Dorset and Devon show an early connection between those areas. A close analysis of these coins indicates that Exeter was one of the first ports of call for sea-traffic coming from the Mediterranean up the Channel. Analysis of the coins also shows that they mainly originate from Antioch, Chalcis, Cyrrhus, Hierapolis, Edessa, Samosata, Zengma and Singara, all of them towns with a high percentage of Jews in their population. [Applebaum, Roman Britain, p. 190.]

etc

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/susser/ ... ements.htm

[Mick Harper]

Tissie
Last January you posted up a reference to The Irish National Origin-Legend: Synthetic Pseudohistory. by J Carey. I may need it for my new book -- we are just about to reach Ireland, no doubt you are following the extracts day by day over on the AEL. However, it is now apparently unavailable except for five sovs to Cambridge University. Do you a) have a copy b) know where I can view it for free or c) assure me I needn't bother.

[TisILeclerc]

I've got a copy on my computer. How can I post it here?

Meanwhile here's something similar. I think. From another site.

http://www.historyireland.com/pre-histo ... rom-spain/

[Boreades]

I've got a copy on my computer. How can I post it here?

Is it a PDF or something similar? If so, chuck it at me, I will make it shareable.