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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 10:40 am

Royston wrote:
Boreades wrote:It might be the same in Dorset. It has many old mine workings, the oldest "Christian" Church in S.England, next door to what's described by some as a Synagog.

So is it or is it not a synagogue?! Whereabouts in Dorset is it located?

The oldest church in England is officially St Martin's, Canterbury. The oldest church in Dorset is St Martin's, Wareham. Which makes one wonder if the churches were built for followers of Christ or Mithras.


Sorry, lost my own notes on the subject. Just a bit further north of Piddletrenthide and its Arabic numerals, we have Hinton St Mary, with a 4th century Christian Church, but in a Byzantine church style.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinton_St_Mary_Mosaic

According to Waldemar Januszczak (BBC4 Treasures Of The Dark Ages), next door to that was a synagogue.

This was the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011j1xs - but that episode isn't available at the moment. Bugger.

So, we have Middle Eastern style buildings, in a part of Britain very close to two megalithic trade hubs (Poole and Portland).
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 12:02 pm

hvered wrote:Margaret as the 'Pearl of Scotland' is referred to in The Megalithic Empire as both queen and (Megalithic) saint. The pearl or grit is a product of the sea (mar) representing wisdom/ wealth.

In Belgium there is a tradition of harvesting shellfish by riding small draught horses in the sea which seems to be quite antique. It made me wonder if horses were used for farming the sea before they were used for ploughing on land.


Margaret is a Templar favourite as well, there are several St. Margaret's established by Templars. Probably chapels at first, then expanded into churches as we know them now.

Templeton (St. Margaret) in Devon had a Templar chapel.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... =51330#s28

So did Dover
http://uk.nomao.com/35019600.html

The one in Glastonbury even gets reviewed on Trip Advisor!
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction ... gland.html

And if it wasn't St.Margaret, it could be St.Michael
http://www.britainexpress.com/counties/ ... Garway.htm
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Jools » 3:54 pm

Boreades wrote: Margaret is a Templar favourite as well, there are several St Margaret's established by Templars. Probably chapels at first, then expanded into churches as we know them now.

Margaret is the patron saint of Scotland, a Templar base after the order was dissolved in France. By dedicating chapels and preceptories to St Margaret the Templars may have been showing a certain gratefulness to the host country comme il faut.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Marko » 9:39 am

hvered wrote: Cornwall and west Devon had been inhabited by Basques, Iberians and Judeans as well as Celts [Judeans would appear to have been the production managers, since the remains of their blowing houses (smelting chambers) are still marked on maps as Jews' houses]. Interesting though about the saints' heads which seems to have flowed from the more common legends of holy wells and springs being established by saints founding monasteries and churches i.e. taking over the local water resources.

The sanctity of water is most evident in the desert where water resources are strictly monitored. Beersheba is the place of seven wells, it is also translated as place of the oath because in Hebrew sheva meaning seven has also acquired the sense of oath or vow.

These two meanings are very closely related. First of all, they are spelled the same, but a kinship is readily acknowledged in the playful use of both meanings: In Genesis 21:22-34, Abraham and Abimelech swear and oath concerning a well, and seal it by a gift of seven ewes. The well becomes known as Beersheba; well of the oath.

Elizabeth is the Greek version of Hebrew Elisheba, i.e. God (El) is Seven (sheva). Elisheva was the wife of Aaron, the first man to enter the Promised Land (Moses, the herald/leader, was banned). She is "the mother of all priests" and is honoured in the NT as the mother of John the Baptist. Elizabeth is also the Tudor mother of the nation, or mother of the Church if you prefer since the Tudor monarchy set up the English Church, and Spain has a similar crusading figurehead named Isabella.

The pact of seven ewes is reminiscent of 'the seven wives' going with a man to St Ives. Ives is of course a play on ewes.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Maribel » 1:51 pm

There are folk tales in which the seventh son is special. Elisheva is the seventh son?
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby spiral » 6:31 am

Both Church and Kirk are cr circle words.....For good reason.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby hvered » 9:41 am

The circle symbolises eternity you mean?
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby spiral » 6:11 am

The Circle/cycle symbolises animal routes. Each year the animals come back to similar points but only at a particular time of year.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby hvered » 7:39 am

That's really impressive! It dovetails with all the slightly weird locations and legends surrounding not-quite sacred sites. Also the link with watering places.

{St Melangell's church popped up on TV the other day, an animal sanctuary at the head of a valley that hardly anyone goes past anymore}
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Mick Harper » 11:57 pm

Each year the animals come back to similar points but only at a particular time of year.


Well, only some animals. Notably the reindeer, the original beasts of the Megalithics aka the Cro-Magnons. According to that fine book The Megalithc Empire. Good point, Spiral. I may nick it.
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