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Postby Mick Harper » 4:31 pm

My post detailing all this disappeared too and I am disinclined to go through it all once more unless anybody thinks it necessary. John Neal is an old mucker of mine and, yes, his work on metrology is groundbreaking but unfortunately he publishes (himself) books that are are somewhat forbidding because he insists on doing everything to the seventh decimal point and using various other reader-unfriendly devices. But even so All Done With Mirrors is required reading.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 10:11 pm

Some might say if it hadn't been for the export market (selling slaves to the Irish), our old friend St.Patrick would have never got Roman Christianity started over there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in ... tish_Isles

Whether it was kharma or tradition, by the 1600's, Irish slaves were cheaper than African slaves.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e31436.htm
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Postby TisILeclerc » 10:24 pm

I'd be very careful about sites like that.

There is a particular community that falsifies history for its own ends.

It's true that the Irish were sent out as indentured servants but so were other people from Britain.

The main slavers, as you mentioned earlier, were the Barbary pirates.

The population figures don't really match up.

It's very much like the myth about Cromwell's murder of the population of Drogheda.

Even Irish historians recognise that that was a complete fabrication
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 11:19 pm

Yes, I've noticed some places feel like they've got an agenda. Was being an indentured servant better than slavery? I can't tell.
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Postby Mick Harper » 11:21 pm

Well, it was voluntary for a start. First I've heard that the Drogheda Massacre was a myth but, hey, I'm just a revisionist historian. I suppose I'd be the last to hear.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 11:33 pm

I'm not sure the clanfolk who were "volunteered" to be cleared from their homes and shipped to the US would agree with us. But as that was c.200 years ago, and every account seems to have its own agenda, it's difficult to cut through the fog.

Are the BBC Revision Guides revising history?

Cromwell in Scotland:
The Parliamentary army destroyed Dundee, killing 2000 of the inhabitants. They transported many Scottish prisoners as slaves to the West Indies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks3/histo ... evision/4/
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Postby TisILeclerc » 9:43 am

Tom Reilly in History Today writes:

'Incredibly, the first document I consulted was the only one that was missed by almost all other Cromwellian scholars – Drogheda’s municipal records of 1649. Here I read about the activities of hundreds of Drogheda people who went about their daily business in the days immediately after Cromwell’s visit. So it couldn’t have been the ‘entire population’ of Drogheda then. Yet there was a written tradition of generations of academics promoting this as historical fact.

And so the journey began. I became familiar with all of the usual sources and those not so usual. As I read more about Cromwell, it became difficult (although not impossible) to reconcile how a man with such lofty moral ethics could engage in the senseless slaughter of Ireland’s innocents, even amid the frenetic environment of 17th-century warfare. I wiped the slate clean and evaluated the evidence of those people who were actually in Drogheda and Wexford at the time the massacres took place. It was shocking to realise that not one person in either town left written details of the deaths of even one unarmed civilian. Obviously small numbers of male civilians could have died as the result of collateral damage. To argue otherwise is folly. But there was no policy to kill the innocent either before, during or after the sieges of Drogheda and Wexford.'

http://www.historytoday.com/tom-reilly/ ... h-question

Another book I read many years ago mentions this lack of evidence. I forget the author and the book's name but he points out that the day before the massacre the town council were discussing the problem of dogs in the city. The day of the massacre there was no council meeting. Understandable in the circumstances. The day after the massacre the council were discussing the problem of stray dogs in the city.
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Boreades » 9:57 am

The Historic Thames
by
Hilaire Belloc

http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Historic-Thames.html
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Re: Book & site list

Postby Mick Harper » 2:47 pm

Here's a great DVD all about megaliths. Apparently they were built to hold the deserts back. That's why there are no deserts in Britain. Anyone who doesn't buy a copy is, frankly, not serious about either megaliths or life.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Distribution-De ... of+deserts
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Postby hvered » 3:12 pm

If anyone has difficulty opening the link, you can go to Amazon.co.uk DVDs and, in the 'Search' box, type The Distribution of Deserts.
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