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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby hvered » 7:46 am

I don't see why not. Crows appear particularly suited to agricultural tasks. They have characteristics that distinguish them from other birds, intelligence and a liking for straight lines being the most obvious. In addition they are: unafraid of humans, territorial, will chase off larger birds, have a loud, harsh call, imitate sounds ('talk'), generally get on well with dogs and cache food.

A working pair of crows might be satisfied with a fair share of seed in return, much as Japanese fishermen give their cormorants a share of fish. (Cormorants can apparently count, at least up to seven!)
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby hvered » 10:21 am

From Brent Knoll the most interesting coastal feature is Brean Down, marking the southern end of Weston Bay. It looks like a larger version of Worm's Head, a causewayed tidal island at the southern end of Rhossili Bay in Gower.

The northern end of Rhossili Bay is marked by a small tidal islet called Burry Holms and a large rock pook, 'Blue Pool'. The northern end of Weston Bay has a former causewayed tidal island called Birnbeck Pier

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overlooked by Worlebury Head, or Worlebury Camp as it's called. A straight line east-west connects Weston to Broadstairs on the Isle of Thanet ending at Viking Bay, a sandy bay with a tidal swimming pool.

Weston's Strange but True site gives some historical background

One occupation that was vital to the early development of Weston-super-Mare was Gull Yelling (i.e. a person paid to scream loudly at sea gulls.) Long before Birnbeck pier was built, a causeway linked the island to the mainland during low tides. The local fishermen would set up nets on the causeway at low tide. When the tide came in, fish would be caught in the nets. In theory, the fishermen could wait for the next low tide and retrieve their catch. Unfortunately, there was a problem. Sea gulls can fly but fishermen cannot walk on water. As the tide started to reveal the nets, the sea gulls had time to eat the catch and disappear before the fishermen could cross the causeway. Various remedies were found but the most effective solution was to shout at the gulls whenever they tried to land on the nets. Two people were employed to remain on Birnbeck throughout the tide and to scare the birds away before they ate the catch. Contemporary reports record that one Gull Yeller was so skilled that he could be heard from 6 miles away.

Rock pools normally do the job just as well but the Bristol Channel's tidal range is too high perhaps.

Before the new General Hospital was built in Uphill, the towns main hospital was the Royal Hospital located at the far end of Marine Parade overlooking the beach. There have been several reports of the beach donkeys being used to ferry people with minor injuries to the hospital - the building was so close to the beach that casualties could arrive at the hospital before there was time to call an ambulance.

The area seems to be pony-free apart from donkey rides on this stretch of beach. Perhaps they were useful for hauling stuff up and down Worlebury Hill. The hospital is interesting as the church on Worlebury Hill is dedicated to St John the Baptist, often linked to hospices/hospitals.

A company called the Brean Down Harbour Company decided to build a harbour at Brean Down for ocean going ships and steamers plying a trade to Wales. It would have been a good investment if they had understood the powerful tidal forces caused by this pinnacle of land. On 5th November 1864, the foundation stone was attached to a marker buoy and lowered into the sea, amongst much pomp and ceremony. In the late evening, the festivities climaxed on the site where the Winter Gardens is today. The next morning, the marker buoy was sighted off Steep Holm - it was still attached to the foundation stone. The harbour company made several attempts to restart construction but they eventually realised that when the power second highest tidal rise and fall is concentrated by the long promontory of Brean Down, you get currents strong enough to carry most building materials out to sea.

Brean Down is where the Severn tidal barrage project is to be located.

It's forbidden to cross over the River Axe from Uphill to Brean Down because of the dangerous mudflats. The course of the Axe has been altered further inland and I don't know if or how much the estuary has been affected or whether there was a former crossing point. If the proposed tidal barrage goes ahead, there may be some answers.

After Birnbeck Island was closed to the public, the condition of the pier continued to deteriorate and the wooden planks became extremely unsafe. The lifeboat station could not move from the island because this is the only place with acces to the sea at low tide. At the planks rotted away, the lifeboat crew had to risk falling through the pier walkway when attending every call-out. The RNLI wanted their crew to be safe but were reluctant to renovate the privately owned pier. The compromise was to only renew a narrow strip of planks running the length of the pier. This strip of planks was painted red and anyone who strayed off the red area did so at their own risk. The RNLI still launch from Birnbeck Island and you can still see a "safe" walkway running the entire length of the ailing pier.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 10:39 pm

For anyone who would like to see a Viking Longship in action, here's a great account:

Today, the 1st of June 2016, around 10.00 Draken is expected to sail into the port of St. Anthony, Newfoundland. Starting in her home port of Haugesund, Norway the 26th of April landing Shetland, Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland on her way she has now officially crossed the North Atlantic Ocean.


http://www.drakenexpeditionamerica.com/

Plus some nice videos on The History Blog,

After setting sail from Haugesund, Norway, on April 23rd, the Draken made its first unplanned stop just three days later on Lerwick in the Shetland Islands.

On April 27th the Draken set sail again, making for Tórshavn on the Faroe Islands. They arrived May 2nd and had to stay until May 6th waiting for propitious winds.

The next leg of the voyage took them to Reykjavik, Iceland. The landed in Reykjavik Harbour on May 9th


Including a stopover in Greenland, where two of the crew got married.

Captain officiated at the wedding of two crew members in the ruins of the early 12th century church in Hvalsey. The last record we have of the Norse settlement in Greenland was a wedding held in that same church between Thorstein Olafsson and Sigrid Björnsdottir on September 14th, 1408.


http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/42551
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 10:44 pm

I must confess that I thought a Viking church in Hvalsey, Greenland would be a bit of a shack, but it looks like it was at one time a fine building.

The church house, which was first erected in the early 12th century, might have been built by Scots-Norse stonemasons as similar structures are found in Norway and Orkney. The church might have been maintained due to the site's royal ownership.

The church house was exceptionally well built from carefully chosen stones that in some cases weigh in excess of five tons. Its walls, which are up to 1.5 metres (4 ft 11 in) thick, measure 16 metres (52 ft) by 8 metres (26 ft) on the outside. The gables rise 5 metres (16 ft) to 6 metres (20 ft) from the floor and may have risen 2m higher when first constructed. Side walls, which would have been higher when new, now stand 4 metres (13 ft). The building was plastered with ground mussel shells and would have been white when in use and was roofed with timber and turf.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvalsey
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 9:51 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DKZTMPqoE

Here you are Borry. Make yourself a Draken and make m'lady happy. Full recipe.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 10:33 am

Looks good. Here's the perfect place to park it.

For Sale: "The Island of the Two Mines."
Properly known as Eilean da mheinn.
Nine acres, only £500,000, or less than the price of a flat in Notting Hill.

It's just off of Crinan Harbour, in an area that's TME-significant.

If you look on Google Maps
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.08961 ... a=!3m1!1e3
You can see the fault lines of the land around it run in exactly the same direction.
That's not to say some Vikings didn't take advantage of the fault lines to break out a nice snug harbour.
Wasn't there some chat on TME about them doing exactly that somewhere else in Scotland?

Estate agent's blurb: http://search.savills.com/list/property ... sgls150293

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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Mick Harper » 11:22 am

An extraordinary picture. Do people really believe that's natural?
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby hvered » 12:52 pm

Crinan came up when we were tracking the 'Scottish meridian' route.

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Crinan, in common with other, more southerly, Megalithically-fashioned sites, has a posh hotel overlooking the harbour.

Just north of the Crinan Canal is Dunadd, an Iron Age fort which 'rises out of the bog' and is clearly manmade. It's supposed to have been some kind of royal power centre

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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby TisILeclerc » 2:00 pm

Some kind of royal power centre? A bit of an understatement methinks.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/a ... the_gaels/

The Gaels gave Scotland its name from 'Scoti', a racially derogatory term used by the Romans to describe the Gaelic-speaking 'pirates' who raided Britannia in the 3rd and 4th centuries. They called themselves 'Goidi l', modernised today as Gaels, and later called Scotland 'Alba'.


Although the BBC likes to follow its own agenda. Hence the statement about the Scots being pirates, from the Latin don't you know?

Other suggestions come from the Irish themselves who claim descent from Scota an Egyptian princess, or from the Scythians. I don't know much Latin but I think they had other words for pirate. And I'm sure if they thought the Irish were all pirates it would not be because of some sort of racial hatred. Unlike the BBC the Romans were very practical people who knew what they wanted and how to get it.

Nevertheless Scots they were and Scots they shall be. Perhaps the word Scot comes from the gaelic 'sgod' which means a 'sail' and may well refer to their ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia

Dunadd was an extremely important capital for the Gaels in Scotland and may well have been the centre of their Megalithic empire.

Borry has shown their naval shipyard but there was more to them than that.

Because Dunadd is mentioned in early sources, and is readily identifiable, it has been excavated on several occasions (1904–05, 1929, 1980) and has one of the most important ensembles of finds from any early medieval site in Scotland. Finds range from the 6th to the 8th centuries AD. These include tools, weapons, quernstones, imported pottery and motif-pieces and moulds for the manufacture of fine metalwork (especially jewellery).[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunadd

Where did they get the metal from? Perhaps the island that describes itself as having two mines. Further north east there is a place called Furnace. I'm not sure how modern that is but perhaps there was some sort of metal working industry a long time ago there.

Also there are the two Kilmartin and Kilmichael locations to take notice of. No sooner do you get settled down to a bit of piracy and metalworking than the Sally Army comes around banging their tambourines demanding tribute.
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Re: Megalithic shipping and trade routes

Postby Boreades » 2:19 pm

The Kilmartin area is heaving with TME-related material.

Kilmartin Glen is an area in Argyll not far from Kintyre, which has one of the most important concentrations of Neolithic and Bronze Age remains in Scotland. The glen is located between Oban and Lochgilphead, surrounding the village of Kilmartin.

There are more than 350 ancient monuments within a six mile radius of the village, with 150 of them being prehistoric. Monuments include standing stones, a henge monument, numerous cists, and a "linear cemetery" comprising five burial cairns. Several of these, as well as many natural rocks, are decorated with cup and ring marks.

The remains of the fortress of the Scots at Dunadd, a royal centre of Dal Riata, are located to the south of the glen, on the edge of the Moine Mhòr or Great Moss.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmartin_Glen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_Riata
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