Trade Secrets

[TisILeclerc]

That's amazing.

As for Ogham I came across a site which showed the use of Ogham in the Israel etc area and the author was making the claim that it came to Ireland from that area. I can't remember where the site was but I will set the bloodhounds on it.

For a bit of light relaxation here's a leetle light entertainment should you wish to partake. I weel share zees only once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO3_rXCYxLU

[Boreades]

Oops, I just got that wrong.

It said:
Fénius Farsaid - "a legendary king of Scythia who shows up in different versions of Irish folklore."
But also:
Goídel Glas (Latinised as Gathelus) is the creator of the Goidelic languages and the eponymous ancestor of the Gaels.
Goídel Glas was the son of Nel (son of Fénius) and Scota (daughter of a Pharaoh of Egypt).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go%C3%ADdel_Glas

So we apparently have:
Scotland = Scythian
Ireland = Phoenician and Scythian and Egyptian.

Clear as mud?

[Boreades]

The "Dionysian Artificers" is an interesting tale. According to this - http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/dart/index.htm - and this - http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/dart/dart00.htm - it was an attempt by Hippolyto Joseph da Costa in 1820 to "prove that modern Freemasonry derived from ancient Greek philosophical and religious ideas."

As briefly as possible, it starts with the Mysteries of Eleusis : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries : as a Mystery School older than the Greeks, but established in Greece.

Here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... ribe05.htm
they summarise the start thus:
These Ionians, participating in the improved state of civilization in which their mother country, Greece, then was, cultivated the sciences, and useful arts; but made themselves most conspicuous in architecture, and invented or improved the order called by their own name Ionian. These Ionians formed a society, whose purpose was to employ themselves in erecting buildings. The general assembly of the society, was first held at Theos; but afterwards, in consequence of some civil commotions, passed to Lebedos. This sect or society was now called the Dionysian Artificers, as Bacchus was supposed to be the inventor of building theatres; and they performed the Dionysian festivities. They afterwards extended themselves to Syria, Persia, and India.
...
These Ionian societies divided themselves into different sections, or minor assemblies. Some of those small or dependent associations; had also their distinguishing names. But they extended their moral views, in conjunction with the art of building, to many useful purposes, and to the practice of acts of benevolence.
...
Let us now notice the passage of the Dionysian Artificers to Judea. Solomon obtained from Hiram, king of Tyre, men skilful in the art of building, when the Temple was erected at Jerusalem. Amongst the foreigners, who came on this occasion, we find men from Gabel, called Giblim; that is to say, the Ionians settled in Asia Minor, for Gabbel, or Byblos, was that city where stood the temple of Apollo, where the Eleusinian rites or Dionysian mysteries were celebrated.
...
DaCosta ends his essay with the statement that after the Dionysian Artificers made it to Israel to work on the Temple, some of their rites were introduced, in a modified form, to be compatible with the Monotheism... ... the Artificers simply attached themselves to the most learned of those who weren't propagandists of the Yahweh cultus, and then DaCosta states that eventually this group of Initiates became known in Maccabeean times as Hasidim. These mystics were responsible for the formation of the Essene communities, Da Costa says.
.

So we have non-Greeks from Greece getting a sub-contract as the architectural designers from Hiram of Tyre, who had the main contract to build Solomon's new temple in Jerusalem.

[Boreades]

Robert I. Clegg, in Mackey's Revised History of Freemasonry, Volume I (1921), says:

"Later history of the association of Dionysian Architects forms no part of the Legend just cited. But we may here to advantage trace their progress. About seven hundred years after the building of the Temple at Jerusalem, they are said to have been incorporated by the King of Pergamum, an ancient province of Mysia, as a society exclusively engaged in the erection of public buildings such as theaters and temples. They settled at Teos, an Ionian city on the coast of Asia Minor, where notwithstanding its troubles they remained for several centuries. Among the works by them were a magnificent theater and a splendid temple of Dionysus, ruins of which still remain.

"Becoming unruly they were at length expelled from Teos and departed to Ephesus. King Attalus sent them from that city to Myonessus. The Teians sending representatives to Rome requesting that the Myonessians should not be permitted to fortify their city, the Dionysiacs removed to Lebedos, about fifteen miles from Teos, where they were welcomed.

"In the 5th Century of the Christian Era, the Emperor Theodosius forbid all mystical associations but the Dionysiacs are said to have continued their existence until the time of the Crusades. Then they passed over into Europe, and were merged in the association of Builders known as the Traveling Freemasons of the Middle Ages."

[Boreades]

Re the pointy-hat brigades.

The Celts that migrated from the West became the Galatian people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_%28people%29

From the description of the Galatians by Strabo, it seems clear they had Druids with them.

"Each tribe was divided into cantons, each governed by a chief ('tetrarch') of its own with a judge under him, whose powers were unlimited except in cases of murder, which were tried before a council of 300 drawn from the twelve cantons and meeting at a holy place, twenty miles southwest of Ancyra, written in Greek as Δρυνεμετον (Drunemeton or Drynemeton, Gaulish *dru-nemeton "holy place of oak"). It is likely it was a sacred oak grove, since the name means "sanctuary of the oaks" (from drus, meaning "oak" and nemeton, meaning "sacred ground"). The local population of Cappadocians were left in control of the towns and most of the land, paying tithes to their new overlords, who formed a military aristocracy and kept aloof in fortified farmsteads, surrounded by their bands.

Drunemeton is a place name of great significance. See Druid place names in (e.g) Devon : Drewsteignton, Broad Nymett, Mymet Tracey

These Celts were warriors, respected by Greeks and Romans. They were often hired as mercenary soldiers, sometimes fighting on both sides in the great battles of the times… In 189 BC, Rome sent Gnaeus Manlius Vulso on an expedition against the Galatians, the Galatian War. He defeated them. Galatia was henceforth dominated by Rome through regional rulers from 189 BC onward. Galatia declined and fell at times under Pontic ascendancy. They were finally freed by the Mithridatic Wars, during which they supported Rome.

Once can only hope these Galatians didn’t end up as auxiliary troops sent to Gaul and Britain to fight their own kind.

[TisILeclerc]

'Once can only hope these Galatians didn’t end up as auxiliary troops sent to Gaul and Britain to fight their own kind.'

I doubt if the Romans were that squeamish although it would be safer perhaps to send them off somewhere else. Although in nineteenth century England it was not uncommon for canal owners and railway owners to get their own squads of Irishmen to go and give their fellow countrymen working for opposition firms a good hammering. Which they did quite cheerfully. Just goes to show though that Irish navvies and building workers are nothing new.

The idea of the flow of people from the west to the east is not the orthodox one but it could explain a lot. Don't forget Troy was once England and the Hellenes left their place names all up the western coast of the European mainland.

And the Pharaohs, at least Tutenkamen had European dna. Possibly from the Caucasus or from Ireland. Given that Iberia is also in Georgia as well as Spain and Hibernia there must be a connection, unless it is another one of those coincidences we find in the history books. Like all those kings called Henery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiCMcWANm-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKAiVIJT448

[TisILeclerc]

'Goídel Glas (Latinised as Gathelus) is the creator of the Goidelic languages and the eponymous ancestor of the Gaels. Goídel Glas was the son of Nel (son of Fénius) and Scota (daughter of a Pharaoh of Egypt).'

The idea of Gaelic being an artificial language is interesting and I think gives support to the idea of it being a trading language across a variety of cultures. Perhaps once that culture died the language remained in the areas where it had been most useful, i.e. coastal areas, particularly on the west coasts of Europe and its islands.

Modern artificial languages like Esperanto were invented through a fusion of several languages and Creoles develop quite naturally in many parts of the world where traders with different languages come together. Imagine if computer geeks took over completely, what kind of language would they produce? It would certainly be incomprehensible to normal people.

Which brings us the the question of what languages did people speak in the British Isles away from the west trading coast? I'll keep away from that one methinks.

Lest we forget the Scots were originally in Ireland. Scotland was always and still is in Gaelic known as Alba.

So we've got Hibernians or Iberians in Ireland alongside Scots. And Picts and British in Albania.

[Boreades]

Which brings us the the question of what languages did people speak in the British Isles away from the west trading coast? I'll keep away from that one methinks.

Good question. What we need is a revisionist author who's also an expert on The History of The British Language. Something like The History of Britain Revealed? Do we know anyone like that?

[TisILeclerc]

I've heard he's in hiding in Rio. Wears shades and a sombrero all the time.

[Boreades]

Is that the Rio Cafe in Notting Hill?