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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 8:01 am

Yes, do we have any British legends of Sun Makers? Or are they curiously lacking?

And lo, Bert prayed fervently to the almighty Belenus, saying thus:
Oi mate, me beans aren't growing, and the gutters are overflowing. Any chance of a bit of the ol' Bath Bun?

Maybe because we all make this prayer so often it's so deeply embedded we don't even notice.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby TisILeclerc » 8:50 am

We do have a rainmaking ceremony after all. It's called cricket except it's not performed in a circle.

As a back up we have Sunday Afternoon as the 'lad himself' pointed out many years ago.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 11:43 am

Being on the same latitude as Stonehenge must be the reason Glastonbury also has mystical rain making abilities ;-)

My niece and nephew were working at the last Glastonbury Festival. They said "It was awesome! As far as our eyes could see there were people and tents in water".

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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 11:05 pm

TisILeclerc wrote:We do have a rainmaking ceremony after all. It's called cricket except it's not performed in a circle.

As a back up we have Sunday Afternoon as the 'lad himself' pointed out many years ago.


Perhaps the rules have changes since Prehistoric Peeps played cricket "in the round"?

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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 11:08 pm

Sorry, I got so distracted by Honi's party trick (rain), I completely forgot why I mentioned him in the first place.

Literally-minded people like these...
http://beginningandend.com/the-circle-m ... he-church/
...say that Honi is heretical witchcraft, and can't possibly be accepted, because he's mentioned in the Talmud but not in the Bible. I think they specifically mean the New Testament Bible as we know it, after much editing?

There is a very good reason for that. The Paulian Christianity, as passed to us via Flavius Josephus, had eliminated Paganism and Roman Christianity became the religion of all the inhabitants of the Empire.

Peoples from the Enochian traditions were definitely on the Pagan side of the fence. As was, by that time, some of the things associated with King Solomon.

King Solomon built his famous temple in Jerusalem on a site that was already a Canaanite sacred sanctuary, which involved the Melchizedek priesthood. In the bible, we are told that Solomon adopted many Canaanite customs (and got into trouble for it with the orthodox Jews). These included sacred springs, mountain top and cave sanctuaries, and megalithic stone circles called Gilgal. While that term applied to any stone circle on Canaan, the Hebrews used it for one specific town that had the most important circle of them all, said to be about two kilometres north of Jericho, where Saul was crowned as the first King of the Jews.

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“The stone heap of the wild cate” later known as Gilgal Refaim “wheel of giants”. Which is even more Pagan.

In Kings 18:30-35, we can read how the prophet Elijah repaired a stone circle:
“..Elijah took twelve stones..and built an altar … and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed, … and he filled the trench with water.”

That sounds like a Henge to me.

Circles, upright stones, trenches and water were part of the esoteric priestly traditions that "missed the cut" and didn't get included in the New Testament.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 11:16 pm

Saul was crowned in a stone circle, because the Jewish traditional ritual of king-making included holy stones.

As did the Druids, and as did the Welsh and Scots.

That was, at least, until 1296 when Edward the First of England “acquired” the Stone of Scoon from Moot Hill and took it to Westminster Abbey. In that location, it became an essential part of the coronation of English Kings and Queens to this day; they have to be crowned while sitting above the Stone of Scoon.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 11:17 pm

The origin of this custom in Britain is said to be the “Stone of Israel”, and the “pillow of Jacob”.

According to tradition, “Jacob’s descendants kept the stone as a sacred national treasure until, when the Israel nation fell, its guardians fled with it to Ireland. There for nearly a thousand years the Kings of Ireland were crowned while seated on it. It was then taken to Scotland and used for the same purpose until Edward I took it to Westminster.”

A fantastic fairy story? Perhaps, but our current Royal Family still believes a Jewish tradition is an essential part of what gives them authority.

Perhaps that's why Prince Charles (and a few generations that came before him) had been circumcised by a Jewish Mohel (the licensed remover of foreskins), but that might all be idle gossip.
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 11:53 pm

Some people get in a twist about what Gilgal means.
But this : http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Gilgal.html
Says:
The verb גלל (galal I) is all about rolling; it means to roll some object on, upon or away. In a figurative sense it is used in ideas like to whirl or dazzle and even to roll oneself onto the Lord, meaning to put one's trust in Him (Psalm 22:8) or to commit oneself to Him (Psalm 37:5, Proverbs 16:3). When this verb is used for physically rolling something away or somewhere else, the object is usually stones (Genesis 29:3, Joshua 10:18).

The same place says that "Jesus died on Golgotha (or Calgary in Luke, which means the same)" - in a stone circle?
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 12:03 am

Does this give a new meaning to the New Testament story of "rolling away the stone"?
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Re: Going Round in Circles

Postby Boreades » 10:48 pm

But Honi's party trick with rain isn't the only mention of the priests from stone circles with power over water.

Many of us will remember the Sunday School story of Moses escaping from Egypt with the help of a fortuitously-timed flood of the Nile. Or a tidal bore. Or something like that?

More interesting (in the TME sense) is the story of Elijah and Elisha, who were on their way from Gilgal (the circle of standing stones)... "Elijah took his cloak, rolled it up and struck the water with it. The water divided to the right and to the left, and the two of them crossed over on dry ground."

(2 Kings 2:1-2)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

I'm entirely open to the suggestion that this is allegorical, like so much biblical material. Although I have not yet had any joyful insight into what that allegory might be. Any ideas? Walter Raleigh?

Whatever it means, it's clear that there is a Megalithic thread that runs through many Old Testament stories, and the priests regarded stone circles as places of special religious value.

Can we find connections between the Canaanite priests, or the Melchizedek priesthood, and the Galatian (Anatolia) Druids who tended sacred places? Or did they come later?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_%28people%29
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